International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V9

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That’s just overcoming the challenge of arming them though. I question their ability to feed and resupply this surge of new troops. What the Ukrainians could possibly do is fight a retreat and let them overextend again, then hitting their resupply trains. That could be disastrous if the Russians get caught out with that many troops and no support
This. I don't question Russias abillity to gather manpower.
Actually supplying them during operations seems like another issue entirely.
They had years of building up for the invasion last year, and they utterly failed in the logistics department (among other failures).
Now after a year of taking a beating in a bloody war with huge equipment losses, they're going to support an invasion force that's about 2.5 times the size of the first one? I'm skeptical.
That doesn't mean they won't try, or that Ukraine shouldn't be careful, throwing 500K bodies into a war is bound to have some effect.
We'll see what happens i guess
 
It is quite interesting. Remember a few weeks into the conflict, they said Russia would have ran out of bullets, rations, etc by this point. But even after a year now, with periods of heavy artillery bombardment, Russia has been picking it up the last few weeks.

That is why following this conflict is pretty annoying and I generally been staying away. I mean, just on this page we can't determine if Ukraine hs 500k troops or 1million, and a poster who is active in this thread and confident it is 1million posted a source that said 500k.

Before posting about the troop build up today, as I thought it is pretty big news and has been reported by mainstream media, I looked at the last few days of posts in this thread to see if it were already being discussed. Instead all the posts are about Ukraine is winning and some special Russian battalion of prisoners or something is losing big time from blogs and obscure sources. There is just a total disconnect somewhere.

Anyways, as per the same NYT article:

Konrad Muzyka, a military analyst for Rochan Consulting, which tracks Russian deployments, said that reported Russian artillery barrages had risen from an average of about 60 per day four weeks ago to more than 90 per day last week. On one day alone, 111 Ukrainian locations were targeted.

I dunno, already two months ago, we had the EU lady say there was over 100k Ukrainan killed, which I was pretty shocked about and didn't fit what I had been hearing. And that was before this upkick in bombardments.




As you say, if they could have 500k in the ukraine within a few weeks, it could be very problematic, to say the least.

The 100k number was some weird PR number.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/30/7378622/
 
I saw both those. The first says more like 500k and saw a few others like the economist say 700k, as did a couple others. Then the second one and another say 900k-1million, so that is pretty big discrepency.

As per the first link, which was from Dec 2022 and the top google find:

RUSSIA vs Ukraine
Total 1,350,000 vs 500,000
Active soldiers 850,000 vs 200,000
Reserve forces 250,000 vs 250,000
Paramilitary units 250,000 vs 50,000


Also lets be real seeing how Putin is now bad ass general supreme shouting order i dont expect much to come from it.
 
Should have never left the Arctic if you cant take the heat.



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The U.S. is sending $425 million’s worth of aid from military stocks to include nearly 200 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles, or MRAPs; more HIMARS; 155mm artillery and 120mm mortar rounds; and nearly 200 heavy machine guns with thermal imagery sights and ammunition to fire at flying drones.

For months, U.S. officials have hesitated to send longer-range systems to Ukraine out of concern they would be used on targets inside Russia, escalating the conflict and drawing the U.S. in deeper. It’s denied Ukraine’s requests for the Army Tactical Missile System, a surface-to-surface missile with a range of nearly 200 miles.

The GLSDB is just the latest advanced system, following Abrams tanks and the Patriot missile defense system, the U.S. has eventually agreed to provide Ukraine after initially saying no. To date, the longest-range missile provided by the U.S., the Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System, has a reach of about 50 miles.

The GLSDB marries the GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb, a 250-pound precision-guided munition that costs $40,000 each, and the M26, a demilitarized rocket.

The funding for the GLSDB is for longer-term purchases, so it wasn’t clear Friday how long it will take to get the bomb to the battlefield. A Foundation for Defense of Democracies analysis said Ukraine could receive an initial delivery of two launchers and 24 weapons in as little as nine months.

Experts say the weapons could help Ukraine strike Russian forces, logistics hubs and strategic terrain in Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed in 2014.

https://www.navytimes.com/pentagon/...longer-range-small-diameter-bomb-for-ukraine/
 
Even North Korea — one of Putin's last remaining allies — is backing away from helping Russia with its disastrous war with Ukraine

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"In September, North Korea's ambassador signaled interest in sending construction workers to Russian-occupied territories, The Associated Press reported.

Those plans further materialized as North Korean officials recruited about 800 to 1,000 workers, with plans to send them by early November, according to Daily NK.

But with Russia's war against Ukraine trudging into its 12th month, North Korea has held off from sending construction aid in "danger zone," a source in North Korea told Daily NK.

"This is because they were going to rush the workers over if Russia quickly ended the war and expanded its liberated zones, but the war isn't going as well as they thought," he told the outlet.

The source said he believes workers will be deployed as the war comes to an end, but as of now the "situation isn't good enough now to send them."

"I think even our country [North Korea] can't make its people run around a danger zone to earn money, no matter how important the cash is," he said, according to Daily NK."

Even North Korea — one of Putin's last remaining allies — is backing away from helping Russia with its disastrous war with Ukraine (msn.com)

WOWWWWWW....

Nobody wants to be on the losing side.
 
If Russia really mobilizes that many people soon, Ukraine may be in trouble. This is way before all those Western tanks and modern weaponry are going to be ready.
meh it's just cannon fodder. Lots more dead Russians. The fact that they need to shoot anyone who tries to retreat shows you the quality of those frontline troops.

And besides 700,000 fighting aged Russian men fled the last mobilisation. If I had half a brain and 2 good legs I'd be doing my damndest to avoid the draft and certain death.
 
That’s just overcoming the challenge of arming them though. I question their ability to feed and resupply this surge of new troops. What the Ukrainians could possibly do is fight a retreat and let them overextend again, then hitting their resupply trains. That could be disastrous if the Russians get caught out with that many troops and no support
Seems like for Russia it would basically be a repeat of their initial strategy. I don't know much about this stuff, but their logistical capabilities seem to have been pretty much universally renounced as utter dogshit, and I can't imagine they've somehow magically fixed all those problems. The entire thing seems very greedy and impatient. Putin wants Ukraine, and he wants it yesterday. Make it happen, I don't care how. Just throw bodies around. Take everything. Blow it up if we can't have it. Go go go go! Results! But wouldn't you know it that launching an invasion against a country even slightly capable of fighting back requires careful planning and competent execution.
 
It is quite interesting. Remember a few weeks into the conflict, they said Russia would have ran out of bullets, rations, etc by this point. But even after a year now, with periods of heavy artillery bombardment, Russia has been picking it up the last few weeks.

That is why following this conflict is pretty annoying and I generally been staying away.

Not it's not, it's only going one way. It's obvious to anyone who been remotely following this thing. Ukraine are clearly prepared to fight to the very last man, woman and child. Russian professional soldiers are crying like bittches about being sent in as human bullet catchers to die for no absolutely no reason. The West are steadily ratcheting up the offensiveness and tech level of weaponry and training to Ukraine.
 
Not it's not, tis' only going one way. It's obvious to anyone who been remotely following this thing. Ukraine are clearly prepared to fight to the very last man, woman and child. Russian professional soldiers are crying like bittches about being sent in as human bullet catchers to die for no absolutely no reason. The West are steadily ratcheting up the offensiveness and tech level of weaponry and training to Ukraine.

how does any of this even comment on the conflicting media reports I mention other than that you are overly invested emotionally about the topic. Which you are entitled to do.

Maybe you are too heated about Elron and Starlink. Lol.

Are you actually a troll account opperated by Boris Johnson himself?
 
how does any of this even comment on the conflicting media reports I mention other than that you are overly invested emotionally about the topic. Which you are entitled to do.

Maybe you are too heated about Elron and Starlink. Lol.

Are you actually a troll account opperated by Boris Johnson himself?
Want a bet? Russia will lose, and they are losing and will continue to lose. You even admitted that you haven't been following this conflict because you found it 'too annoying' most likely because Ukraine (the good guy's) are winning whilst a US democratic government is in power. Tell you what, why don't you just leave the opinion stuff to those of us who have actually been following this conflict since the beginning and take your partisan BS somewhere else?
 
Want a bet? Russia will lose, and they are losing and will continue to lose. You even admitted that you haven't been following this conflict because you found it 'too annoying' most likely because Ukraine (the good guy's) are winning whilst a US democratic government is in power. Tell you what, why don't you just leave the opinion stuff to those of us who have actually been following this conflict since the beginning?

what is your definition of losing for them?
 
what is your definition of losing for them?
The destruction of their economy for the next 2 decades, their military reputation (they really thought they were world number 2 lol), their defence industry sales mostly likely for the next half a century, their nationalistic pride, their captured territory since 2014 and their 'national security' since now they have a extra 2400 miles of NATO border to defend on their western front. And I would not be at all surprised if they eventually lose their seat on the UN security council. Oh and more than half of their energy sales for all time. But apart from that they'll lose nothing lol
 
and take your partisan BS somewhere else?

And can you please show me where I posted anything partisan that wasnt from a NYT article, CNN, etc? Or the head of the EU herself?

Seems like you are the partisan lmao.
 
The destruction of their economy for the next 2 decades, their military reputation (they really thought they were world number 2 lol), their defence industry sales mostly likely for the next half a century, their nationalistic pride, their captured territory since 2014 and their 'national security' since now they have a extra 2400 miles of NATO border to defend on their western front. And I would not be at all surprised if they lose the eventually lose their seat on the UN security council. Oh and more than half of their energy sales for all time. But apart from that they'll lose nothing lol

so you want to bet on something that will slowly take place over the next 20 years?

Does that mean you have no clear definition of losing?

How about this. When do you think Ukraine will take Crimea back. Plain and simple question. We can bet on that
 
hmm. the 500k number is as per the new defense minister

Perhaps their inflating the numbers to push for more arms? Guess we should be skeptic until US officials report a number like that. But would not be a good thing if they are inflating numbers...

200k in the early stages were soldiers from the standing army, these 500k is just man-meat to be herded in front of the army to try and overwhelm Ukrainians, like they did in Soledar.

Russia doesn't gives a shit about the future anymore.
 
200k in the early stages were soldiers from the standing army, these 500k is just man-meat to be herded in front of the army to try and overwhelm Ukrainians, like they did in Soledar.

Russia doesn't gives a shit about the future anymore.

True. Do you think the that they will quickly fold and the east will be liberated by the end of this year?
 
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