International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V9

[Hog-train]

The destruction of their economy for the next 2 decades, their military reputation (they really thought they were world number 2 lol), their defence industry sales mostly likely for the next half a century, their nationalistic pride, their captured territory since 2014 and their 'national security' since now they have a extra 2400 miles of NATO border to defend on their western front. And I would not be at all surprised if they eventually lose their seat on the UN security council. Oh and more than half of their energy sales for all time. But apart from that they'll lose nothing lol

That could all happen and Russia still kills a huge bulk of the Ukrainian manpower. As has been said before, quantity is a quality all it's own.

According to some interviews I've been seeing with Ukrainians on the front fighting, a lot of them are dying defending Bahmut. And the Russians are starting to fight better.

We have to take the media reports from our side with a grain of salt too.

Supposedly, Ukraine has about 150K men left. That's several times smaller than the rumored amount of Russians about to be mobilized. Even if they're poorly trained, that's a lot more manpower.

 

[San Marino]

The war will not end in 2023, too many interests for the globalists.

Ukraine's Vietnam?

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

So who do you consider globalists and why?

The globalists are the elite institutions with converging interests that use global crisis to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else. Big pharma, big media, weapons manufacturers for the military industrial complex, large construction companies, financial institutions etc. They are globalists because they use global conflicts and crisis to enrich their companies, and collude together to achieve these goals. The media is often used to put thoughts in the heads of the citizens in order to pass certain agendas. Agendas like forced vaccinations, sending military aid, massive construction deals with wore torn countries, anything they can think of to make more money. These corrupt elite have become experts are using global conflict to create massive profit, as we've seen with rising stock prices and huge profit margins. There is absolute no denying there is massive economic incentive for prolonging wars and prolonging pandemics.

 

[Rholk]

Supposedly, Ukraine has about 150K men left.

Damn that would be quite the losses, didn't they have some 500k (military+reserve) ?
So where did you get the 350k losses number from?

 

[SandisLL]

Also one thing used by Ukr propaganda that is used also by russian propaganda is :
1. Ukr claims about large number of foreign volunteers...
2. Rus then claims about ....." we are fighting vs all world and NATO "....LOL.

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In general usually Ukr really does have these volunteers from foreign countries, however ....
For example technically for propaganda purposes as batallion might be called goup of any size.

Will not matter 100 or really 850-900 ppl.
Etc.

+ It is noticed that Ukr when are demanding next weapons paxkages are talking about huge losses they had...
While if needs positive propaganda, they does have different agenda....


Rus propaganda for Russians in russia, esp in all these blogs, YT and telegram, tik tok too reach unbelievable exaggregation levels....

Levels technically impossible.
Bloggers had destroyed more tanks than Ukr ever had, even if to count all old crap in storage.
More destroyed HIMARS than ever had been manufactured...
Etc....
Already destroyed Abrams and Leopard tanks....

Western crews servicing western tanks in donbass etc....

Basically the same as bloggers and trolls havig YT etc channels had did
....in covid period....
Click bait type stuff to get traffic and subscribers etc. While now with political & war souce...

 

[curryjunkie]

Russia to do military joint exercises with China

south africa...." might as well, the world thinks we're cunts anyway"

 

[Rholk]

The globalists are the elite institutions with converging interests that use global crisis to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else. Big pharma, big media, weapons manufacturers for the military industrial complex, large construction companies, financial institutions etc. They are globalists because they use global conflicts and crisis to enrich their companies, and collude together to achieve these goals. The media is often used to put thoughts in the heads of the citizens in order to pass certain agendas. Agendas like forced vaccinations, sending military aid, massive construction deals with wore torn countries, anything they can think of to make more money. These corrupt elite have become experts are using global conflict to create massive profit, as we've seen with rising stock prices and huge profit margins. There is absolute no denying there is massive economic incentive for prolonging wars and prolonging pandemics.

Would you consider Russia, or Putin part of the globalists, or just a useful idiot for starting this war to further the globalists' goals?

 

[curryjunkie]

Would you consider Russia, or Putin part of the globalists, or just a useful idiot for starting this war to further the globalists' goals?

nah, they just interfere in other countries to protect the homeland ..

 

[Rholk]

nah, they just interfere in other countries to protect the homeland ..

Can't have them US biolabs on your border now can you

 

[SandisLL]

War will undoubtedly reduce the problem of corruption. Ukraine has already moved up 20 places since 2014 and will improve at a dramatic rate over the next few years. You could list twenty reasons and it would still just be scratching the surface.

Massively increased nationalism, EU ascension requirements, massively increased media focus nationally and internationally, shift from theft to reason, increased sentencing, undermines military efficiency, threatens critical international support, facilitates independent and foreign involvement in prevention, threatens rebuilding efforts... the list goes on.

People focus on Zelensky asking for weaponry without realizing that it goes both ways. If US/EU tells him to jump he's going to say "how high" and both the US, the EU and everyone else are demanding this problem gets addressed. In certain areas they're just straight up taking over the role of preventing corruption. Ukraine doesn't get to say no to oversight demands from foreign countries.

Unfortunately we can already see in this thread that morons will see the ever increasing public prosecutions of these crimes as evidence of prevalent corruption rather than the effective addressing of corruption.

This is only just if ppl are simple thinking guys....

It is completely normal that sometimes big scandals are popping up.

Actually it was and is regular thing even in wealthy western countries with very high financial stability and A level reputation in international scene.

If you really fight with corruption, tax evasion, forgery, unregistered business, money laundering etc....
also neglience and laziness ( for example equipment maintenance isn't done in term according to specifications etc... ), then ....

Something always will pop in mass media....

It is real life......

Even super stabile and prestigious countries like Luxembourg and Swtizerland does have scandals.....

And this isn't sign of weakness .....it is sign that at least something is done to combat all this shit and laziness and stupidity....

 

[Hog-train]

Damn that would be quite the losses, didn't they have some 500k (military+reserve) ?
So where did you get the 350k losses number from?

I never said 350k losses. I don't know how many men Ukraine has left - I just heard 150K from one news source, but who knows how accurate that is.

 

[SandisLL]

We fore example in genera have construction work quality not worse than in Switzerland.... usually.
While sometimes some ppl might be stupid. As in all countries....
And then we have nice mass media articles about criminal court cos someone get GBH or died...

This actually isn't bad because triggers companies and specialists to pay more attention to certain aspects and to think that they are responsible and might be exposed in mass media if someone will get GBH or die in their construction site...

 

[cottagecheesefan]

I never said 350k losses. I don't know how many men Ukraine has left - I just heard 150K from one news source, but who knows how accurate that is.

we’ll head of the EU two months ago said at least 100k military and 20k civilians . So 150k would be logical

 

[Rholk]

we’ll head of the EU two months ago said at least 100k military and 20k civilians . So 150k would be logical

Nah,
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/30/7378622/

 

[SandisLL]

I never said 350k losses. I don't know how many men Ukraine has left - I just heard 150K from one news source, but who knows how accurate that is.

I really don't trust any source...
Each side plus clickbait type media and bloggers etc ...are posting different numbers...

I once had posted that it is to some extent valuable to look on vecihles etc destroyed and still here big question : number of ppl that had been in... or maybe no one had been in or near vecihle....

I really have no clue about numbers....

 

[Hellowhosthat]

The war will not end in 2023, too many interests for the globalists. They will send much more weapons and beg for construction deals to rebuild the destroyed country, enriching the global elite which is their plan. Once China attacks Taiwan it will be Russia and China against the US dramatically tipping the balance of power. If the US backed offensive threatens to take Crimea, Russia will launch nuclear weapons at Ukraine forcing them to surrender or face complete annihilation.

You're failing to account for what happens when South Korea enter the war with all their world class Starcraft generals.

 

[SandisLL]

Truck ....
If abadoned or behind front line...might had 0 ppl in when had been destroyed.
If with ppl, might be that had only 1 driver in...or was loaded with 30+ ppl.
BTR and BMP : if no ppl in, 0 casualities.
If only crew , then might be 3 guys in...
If with infantry in...then again, might be 1-2-3 and more.
Might happen that inside had been more ppl than is designed and listed in tech specifications.
BTR and BMP pyhiscally might accomodate 1-2 guys inside more than listed in tech specs....

With USSR type tanks it is easier. 3 guys if it isn't T62....

 

[Cid]

so you want to bet on something that will slowly take place over the next 20 years?

Does that mean you have no clear definition of losing?

How about this. When do you think Ukraine will take Crimea back. Plain and simple question. We can bet on that

Why would you bet on the absolute last area Ukraine is capable of taking back as the yardstick of success?

You do know that Russia controlled large areas of the donbas before the February invasion right?

If the purpose of an invasion is to take more land than you held prior why wouldn't a decrease in the total controlled area be more than enough?

If you had $8 and invested it only to have $7 at the end of your investment that's a loss.

 

[Cid]

This is only just if ppl are simple thinking guys....

It is completely normal that sometimes big scandals are popping up.

Actually it was and is regular thing even in wealthy western countries with very high financial stability and A level reputation in international scene.

If you really fight with corruption, tax evasion, forgery, unregistered business, money laundering etc....
also neglience and laziness ( for example equipment maintenance isn't done in term according to specifications etc... ), then ....

Something always will pop in mass media....

It is real life......

Even super stabile and prestigious countries like Luxembourg and Swtizerland does have scandals.....

And this isn't sign of weakness .....it is sign that at least something is done to combat all this shit and laziness and stupidity....

That's why I called them morons

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Nah,
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/30/7378622/

before saying nah, do you have a better source than Ukrainian Pravda?