International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

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Next suff about Luhansk oblastj...

Ofc after 1992 th living standards dropped, unemployment rised and prices went higher...
A lot of jobs had been lost and...again emmigration from this area to better places.
Then sepearatists area backed by Kremlin
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Ofc a lot of smart ppl in Ukr controlled area had relocated from areas closer than 300 km to seperatists controlled areas....
To better places...
Good insurgency might be done by...smart ppl not idiots...
And smart ppl had 8 years time to re locate...

That's reason why so weak insurgency and partisan movement...
Due to 30 years long trend in these areas...smart ppl had relocated...
 
Its honestly amazing to me that you don't understand that "half the Black sea fleet" (what the article's title said) doesn't equate to "half of Russia's overall aircraft inventory". You do know that they have aircraft that isn't apart of the "black sea fleet" right? So its actually possible that half the black sea fleet has been crippled and that it represents only "a small portion of Russia's overall aircraft inventory" can both be true.

This is not a gotcha unless you have very deep knowledge of Russia's aircraft inventory and can attest that half the black sea fleet represents a rather large portion of the Russia's overall aircraft inventory.

No response to it not being half of the black seas fleet? 3 of yas all wanted to dispute me for using Strychnines sources.

One claimed mod confirmed it. ( another lie from him. Standard fare on here )

All conceded the point I take it?
 
If we compare these with Kiev...where living standartds irl approx like in St Pete or Moscow and....low unemployment, better salaries than in dumbass or crimea...a lot of companies working for western clients, especially in IT sector....
In Kiev a lot of russians and belarus ppl had even businesses or shares in some business.
There isn't thing that they might need for " liberation " and banned Linked In etc bullshit like in Moscow .....
Not all russians support this idiotism btw...
 
This is wishful thinking. They de facto controlled most of Lugansk and Donetsk before the war, and all of Crimea. People question whether the Donbas areas really wanted to be part of Russia, but I don't think anyone thinks that even a fair referendum in Crimea would result in them wanting to rejoin Ukraine. Regardless, Ukraine does not have, and will not have absent American intervention, the naval and air power to invade Crimea.

In fact I think it's been surprising that there hasn't been more irregular warfare in the areas they've occupied already- which was my prediction, Ukraine is too old, westernized, and the terrain is too bad for Vietnam level guerrilla warfare. At most you will see sabotage, commando raids and terrorism.

As for retaking the offensive, that is very possible in time. However, at the moment the Ukrainians are frankly admitting that they do not have the vehicles or artillery to launch a serious offensive.

I'm talking about decades of guerilla warfare. Officials being bombed, infrastructure being sabotaged.

That's the grim future of Russian occupied territories in Ukraine.

If that's what victory looks like, it's no victory at all - and it's been clear since day one, frankly.

They're fighting io control territory that will never be stable.

That is not wishful thinking. It's nightmare fuel.
 
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And trying to explain it away:



S300, S400, Tor-M2, Pantsir-S1
And it still comes down to pointing some machineguns in the air and spraying


It just screams MiLiTaRy SuPeRpOwEr.

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This looks exactly like the Alibaba drone used to attack that oil refinery lol.
 
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If that's what victory looks like, it's no victory at all - and it's been clear since day one, frankly.

They're fighting io control territory that will never be stable.

By those parameters there's been very few victories in modern warfare... if any.
 
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Lol " western officials " and intelligence say ? Hah. No intelligence agency said that.. as a matter of fact in the article they reference what the intelligence sources say..

The British defense ministry said in an intelligence update last week that the jets lost only represent a small portion of Russia's overall aircraft inventory available to support its war efforts in Ukraine.

So you can either believe the vaguest of vague sources. " unnamed Western officials " lol. Or the UK ministry of Defence .....

Again, you need to read these things carefully. What has been crippled is NOT the Russian airforce overall, but the airforce and thus capability of the Black Sea Fleet. That's what the article says, and it's a much smaller claim that may well be correct.

Edit: other have already pointed this out, so just ignore this post.
 
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet

Black sea fleet aviation division


2nd Guards Naval Aviation Division (Sevastopol; subordinate to the Black Sea Fleet)[52][53][258][259]

  • 43rd Independent Naval Shturmovik Maritime Attack Aviation Regiment[260] – HQ at Gvardeyskoye, Crimea – 18x Su-24M; 4x Su-24MR (being replaced by Sukhoi Su-30SMs as of 2019;[261] Su-30SMs reported active with the regiment as of 2021[262])
5 Squadrons of jets in the " black sea fleet.

Each squadron has between 12 and 24 aircraft.

7 - 13 is not half...... not even close.

It's not half of the black sea fleet... which is probably why the mod didn't say that it was.........

Of course they didn't claim half Russia's airforce lol. I'm talking about the black sea fleet........ it's not half or even close .......
Well claiming they knocked out half the Russian jets in the fleet in this strike is highly unlikely
Still thinking this isn't a major deal to the fleet is a bit of wishful thinking, considering a few things:
-The numbers from wikipedia are the fighters they theoretically have, not all of those are combat-ready. Even in the US (likely alot better maintained and funded) Rates of combat ready jets are anywhere from 50-70%,/ -Those numbers were from before the war started and don't account for losses sustained before this raid
-The aircraft that are damaged/destroyed were largely out on the tarmac and likely part of the combat-ready aircraft
-They don't even know for sure how many aircraft were actually lost, they could only "confirm"(still dodgy by satellite) what was visible through satellite (the 27 number seems like a bit of Ukrainian propaganda:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...ssian-squadrons-to-pull-back/?sh=5c14659c9224
A video from the tarmac in the hours following the attack depicts one destroyed Su-24. Commercial satellite imagery from Wednesday seems to confirm eight Su-24 losses plus five Su-27/30 losses. The Ukrainian defense ministry for its part claimed its destroyed nine Russian planes Tuesday.
It’s likely none of these sources is comprehensive. Combining them, it’s possible the Russian navy wrote off as few as nine aircraft and as many as 27

So no the "half the black fleet got destroyed" propaganda piece isn't factual, but this isn't exactly an insignificant blow either, not in the very least because it shows Russia can be hit quite a distance away from the frontline, in an area that was supposed to be secured, and they will have to find a way (pull troops) to provide better security for their assets
 
Again, you need to read these things carefully. What has been crippled is NOT the Russian airforce overall, but the airforce and thus capability of the Black Sea Fleet. That's what the article says, and it's a much smaller claim that may well be correct.

Edit: other have already pointed this out, so just ignore this post.

As I stated in another post . It's not remotely close to half the black sea fleet's combat jets either.
 

Going to be interesting to see what guided shells will bring to the war, the platforms that fire these are alot more "expendable" than a HIMARS or an M270
 
Well claiming they knocked out half the Russian jets in the fleet in this strike is highly unlikely
Still thinking this isn't a major deal to the fleet is a bit of wishful thinking, considering a few things:
-The numbers from wikipedia are the fighters they theoretically have, not all of those are combat-ready. Even in the US (likely alot better maintained and funded) Rates of combat ready jets are anywhere from 50-70%,/ -Those numbers were from before the war started and don't account for losses sustained before this raid
-The aircraft that are damaged/destroyed were largely out on the tarmac and likely part of the combat-ready aircraft
-They don't even know for sure how many aircraft were actually lost, they could only "confirm"(still dodgy by satellite) what was visible through satellite (the 27 number seems like a bit of Ukrainian propaganda:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...ssian-squadrons-to-pull-back/?sh=5c14659c9224


So no the "half the black fleet got destroyed" propaganda piece isn't factual, but this isn't exactly an insignificant blow either, not in the very least because it shows Russia can be hit quite a distance away from the frontline, in an area that was supposed to be secured, and they will have to find a way (pull troops) to provide better security for their assets

It's a big blow no doubt about it. My point was the mod unlike claimed never said anything like half. But posters still actively said I was smelling my own farts as source claiming it wasn't half. ( using Strychnines sources no less )

Same poster has made claims about what the mod or DOD has confirmed.. so far he's got 0 right. And has the audacity to claim I don't provide sources. Bit of a joke.

That's the point I was making.. not that it wasn't a severe blow to Russia. As of course any major impact that far beyond the front-lines has got to make some Russians extremely nervous.

But it's just a propaganda headline. And most definitely not confirmed by mod. For some reason pointing that out had a couple of posters questioning my intelligence whilst they repeat verbatim pure propaganda. ( again )

Cheers for the response

( 27 definitely seems excessive. I've seen generally 7 to 13 stated in most sources )

Edit Also. I believe the 5 Squadrons operate from different airfields in Crimea. ( at least 3 )
 
For me looks funny how some Kremlin's advocates are attempting to defend Kremlin and It's real propaganda....
De ukrainization of Ukraine like some had posted in RIA website....nothing wrong that had been deleted, internet remembers eweryting and stuff is possible to google up and translate with translator rus/ eng..
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If about Sevastopol it is real fun.
This city since soviet times had best air defense in all Ukraine provided....
Ships systems...plus...
C-300 and now also C-400.
Buk.
Osa.
Pantsirj and Tor and Tunguska.
Igla and Verba manpads...
Even Shilka machines with 4×23 mm autocannons on each machine......

If to bear in mind that also ships air defense systems might be used when ships are in port too, not only when they are in sea...
 
It's a big blow no doubt about it. My point was the mod unlike claimed never said anything like half. But posters still actively said I was smelling my own farts as source claiming it wasn't half. ( using Strychnines sources no less )

Same poster has made claims about what the mod or DOD has confirmed.. so far he's got 0 right. And has the audacity to claim I don't provide sources. Bit of a joke.

That's the point I was making.. not that it wasn't a severe blow to Russia. As of course any major impact that far beyond the front-lines has got to make some Russians extremely nervous.

But it's just a propaganda headline. And most definitely not confirmed by mod. For some reason pointing that out had a couple of posters questioning my intelligence whilst they repeat verbatim pure propaganda. ( again )

Cheers for the response

( 27 definitely seems excessive. I've seen generally 7 to 13 stated in most sources )

Edit Also. I believe the 5 Squadrons operate from different airfields in Crimea. ( at least 3 )
Yeah, most posters on here (myself included) picked sides in this conflict, some a bit more fanatical than the other, doesn't help that there is a ton of propaganda beeing released from both sides.
All-in-all it leads to some heated/personal/divisive arguments in here
 
Yeah, most posters on here (myself included) picked sides in this conflict, some a bit more fanatical than the other, doesn't help that there is a ton of propaganda beeing released from both sides.
All-in-all it leads to some heated/personal/divisive arguments in here

If ya own it and don't purposefully lie I have absolutely nothing against anybody for choosing to support Ukraine. Or for hating Russia. There's plenty of reasons to take either stance.

I Don't feel the same about Russia. Very hard to justify anything about it imo.

The lying of the media creeps me the fuck out. Regardless what it's about. that's my biggest gripe in here. It disturbs me to see people actively putting their heads in the sand to run with the propaganda despite reality. Especially those who lie to defend the media.
 
People believe Russia is shelling its own troops in the nuclear power plant. So of course next issue there . will mean a Russian false flag attack.

Seems the narrative is all prepared for whatever happens next.

I don’t understand what Russia would use any such false flag for. They’ve already invaded the country.
 
I don’t understand what Russia would use any such false flag for. They’ve already invaded the country.
For a lot of reasons.
Kremlin needs to have good internal popaganda for russians in russia...
They care about this more than you might imagine....and had polished this with a glance during almost 100 years in row...

The same assasination of Nemcov was done by...checen merchs for a reason. Cos deep reson.
If you never had lived in USSR , you can't know their real mentality.
Unlike stuff portrayed in mass media...
 
Propaganda for russian speakers in Russia is heavily funded since Stalin took office....
directly and indirectly and this is fundament of real power because aporox 70% voters in Russia never had been in other countries and use mass media mainly only in russian...and social networks too btw....
It is core of real power....brainwash more than half of population and you will get POWER....

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For ppl aboard " nice " stuff is dw russian redaction.....cool t th column...
Navalny with his dreams about Warshaw block area controlled by Russia! as bare minimum.
And anti putin oriented slavic imperialists from rain tv...dozdj... Approx like Navalny...
Cool 5 th column IMHO.
 
For sure as this war is dragging out a lot longer then Putin thought his "special military " operation has turned into a quagmire with no end in site. The loses are going to be piling up so he needs more BS to pass along to justify it....although that's going to be a tough sell with all the loses and has only gained a bit of land which will be hard to hold as it is.
 
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