International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[SandisLL]

Like this.
When you had lost stuff like Iskander launcher worth at least 100m and Su-34M plus notable ammount of Ka-52 ...
Plus this all if we bear as reality that Ukr military heavily sucks and is far from top5 in Europe.
They does suck and heavily...

Tanks industry:
Best anti tank shell they had was 1980 ies era stuff...
Tank industry was laughable despite good expo examples....
Since 1992 th 2 most notable foreign orders they did with huge delays and sucked heavily....
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Good things they had looks that were Stugna ATGM and Neptun...
Dunno about Stugna but Neptun is 1980 ies USSR product clone....

 

[PEB]

Ukraine Military needed to make sure there was fresh can meat for the Russian soldiers! Get with the program Ukraine how is Russia going to continue butchering Ukrainians!

The level of insanity in the Russian military knows no bounds.

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Aug 20 (Reuters) - Russia's defence ministry accused Ukraine on Saturday of poisoning some of its servicemen in the Russian-controlled part of Ukraine's southeastern region of Zaporizhzhia in late July.

An adviser to Ukraine's interior ministry said in response that the alleged poisoning could have been caused by Russian forces eating expired canned meat.

The Russian defence ministry said a number of Russian servicemen had been taken to a military hospital with signs of serious poisoning on July 31. Tests showed a toxic substance, botulinum toxin type B, in their bodies, it said."

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-accuses-ukraine-poisoning-some-its-soldiers-2022-08-20/

 

[Boxiana]

For a lot of reasons.
Kremlin needs to have good internal popaganda for russians in russia...
They care about this more than you might imagine....and had polished this with a glance during almost 100 years in row...

The same assasination of Nemcov was done by...checen merchs for a reason. Cos deep reson.
If you never had lived in USSR , you can't know their real mentality.
Unlike stuff portrayed in mass media...

But false flags are usually performed to justify a response. I can’t imagine what Russia would use this for, as they are doing whatever they want anyway.

Just seems strange to be talking about a false flag situation here. No matter.

 

[SandisLL]

Ukr air defense too does sucks and heavily...
From Anti aircraft missiles with longer range they had, almost all are USSR era products...
I mean missiles with range longer than 10 km.
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Next example why they sucked heavily is ....crying about lack of 122 mm and 152 mm ammo etc stuff...
Looks that most likely they weren't able to produce even these....most likely...
Best MRLS: smerch missiles from USSR era with range 90km.
Best tactical missile: Thocka U from USSR era with range 120 km...

 

[SandisLL]

But false flags are usually performed to justify a response. I can’t imagine what Russia would use this for, as they are doing whatever they want anyway.
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Just seems strange to be talking about a false flag situation here. No matter.

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It does matter because they need to justify even propaganda for russians in russia!

Not only response type stuff.
They need to justify " why enemy is bad ". Etc and etc things...
For internal propaganda.......

Excuse like stuff like Hitler too btw had used...
1925 etc...
Promised good life.
Didn't happened?
Let's see Great Purge 1937-1938..
Again great life didn't happened quickly?
Let's do Great Clean up 1940th!
Let's star with Yezhov....
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Then WW2 was cool excuse...

1945...1946...remainings of capitalism etc and cleanup again...
1949...remainings of capitalism etc and clean up again..

Later...spies and so on paranoia...
Then Nikita with his soviet race hidden idea...

Nothing new for Kremlin, sadly...

 

[Rholk]

https://funker530.com/video/russians-discover-remote-controlled-btr-turret-defending-trench/
Not something you see every day

 

[SandisLL]

The same Estonia does have type X...
It is something like BMP-2 without crew....
Might be remotely controlled or by AI....
Year ago was debut..

 

[Vergilius]

But false flags are usually performed to justify a response. I can’t imagine what Russia would use this for, as they are doing whatever they want anyway.

Just seems strange to be talking about a false flag situation here. No matter.

We can't know for sure, but Russia has become isolated on the international stage and lost the pr battle by leaps and bounds. If they can make it look like the Ukrainians are behaving recklessly around the nuclear plant and putting all of Europe in danger, that will be a step towards changing public opinion in their favour.

They have lost tons of international standing & leverage during this war and are probably desperate to claw some of it back.

 

[Boxiana]

We can't know for sure, but Russia has become isolated on the international stage and lost the pr battle by leaps and bounds. If they can make it look like the Ukrainians are behaving recklessly around the nuclear plant and putting all of Europe in danger, that will be a step towards changing public opinion in their favour.

They have lost tons of international standing & leverage during this war and are probably desperate to claw some of it back.

Casting themselves as the voices of reason. Got it.

 

[Denter]

Yeah, most posters on here (myself included) picked sides in this conflict, some a bit more fanatical than the other, doesn't help that there is a ton of propaganda beeing released from both sides.
All-in-all it leads to some heated/personal/divisive arguments in here

Anytime I see alleged combat footage now I'm obliged to ask myself "Could this have been from months ago? Is this even Ukraine, not Syria?" Etc because there has been so much bs flying around.

 

[Denter]

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It does matter because they need to justify even propaganda for russians in russia!

Not only response type stuff.
They need to justify " why enemy is bad ". Etc and etc things...
For internal propaganda.......

Excuse like stuff like Hitler too btw had used...
1925 etc...
Promised good life.
Didn't happened?
Let's see Great Purge 1937-1938..
Again great life didn't happened quickly?
Let's do Great Clean up 1940th!
Let's star with Yezhov....
--
Then WW2 was cool excuse...

1945...1946...remainings of capitalism etc and cleanup again...
1949...remainings of capitalism etc and clean up again..

Later...spies and so on paranoia...
Then Nikita with his soviet race hidden idea...

Nothing new for Kremlin, sadly...

Stalin used Yagoda and then Yezhov directly like Machiavelli suggested. Ice cold. Kind of a traumatized culture if you think about it.

 

[SandisLL]

After next casual portion of vodka russian diplomat Mihkail in Austria had posted in twitter " no mercy for ukrainian population ".
There we should understand that population of ukraine aren't just ukrainians by nationality....
When level of alco in blood had dropped, old alconaut had deleted his tweet, IMHO cos doesn't knows how internet is working...

Anyway guy is on vodka diet like Medvedev....

 

[Videer]

Sevastopol now with nightly light shows.

 

[AWilder]

 

[Videer]

Munitions dump that went poof in Belgorod a few days ago. Some of it had been moved to the nearby forest.

It is not true, ATACMS pods looks just like the standard rocket pods and the Precision Strike Missile is going to look just the same too. Those were designed as such so you cannot tell the difference from such footage. Why that backplate? I do not know.

You can clearly see on the ejected front plate pieces here that it is patterned just like the 6 missile pod.

 

[PEB]

https://funker530.com/video/russians-discover-remote-controlled-btr-turret-defending-trench/
Not something you see every day

Footage from Russian troops shows the outcome of an assault on a trench manned by an unkillable Ukrainian machine gunner. The Russian troops expended significant ammunition and hand grenades but couldn't silence the fighting position. Eventually was discovered the the Ukrainians had occupied the trench with a remote-controlled BTR armored personnel carrier's machine gun turret."

Well less ammo to fire on Ukrainian soldiers thank you Ukrainian robogunner.

 

[Denter]

Footage from Russian troops shows the outcome of an assault on a trench manned by an unkillable Ukrainian machine gunner. The Russian troops expended significant ammunition and hand grenades but couldn't silence the fighting position. Eventually was discovered the the Ukrainians had occupied the trench with a remote-controlled BTR armored personnel carrier's machine gun turret."

Well less ammo to fire on Ukrainian soldiers thank you Ukrainian robogunner.

Very clever move!

 

[PEB]

Here is an update of what I am donating to Ukrainian aid for children in Poland almost finished laying out the envelope and stamps. Donating it to a local deli who has raised over 70,000 dollars to Ukrainian aid. It's more difficult then I thought laying the things on the Ukrainian emblem. I am getting a new much nicer frame coming Monday. This frame is temporary till the nice one comes in but I needed it to get the layout correct.

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Been spending months putting this together to donate to the Deli. They been vary active raising money an donation for Ukrainian families displaced by the Russian war.
It's the famous stamps tied to the war an both types of day one stamps. I got a day one envelope signed by the original artist "Boris Grokh" an the other stamp made famous by

towing Russian tanks.
So far the Deli has raised over 70,000 dollars. This is a temporary frame as I wait for the nice frame. I have to align it an put the Ukraine emblem in the back."

https://www.jpost.com/omg/article-705932

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Russian warship, f**k you!' stamp auction raises $171k. for Ukrainian forces
"Sold: Five million hryvnias (~USD 170k.) have been transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine," Ukraine wrote on its Twitter account announcing the auction's result.
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[Joe]

 

[PEB]

That's a big deal.

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Daughter of Ukraine war mastermind 'is blown to pieces in Moscow car bomb': Darya Dugin 'assassinated in attack meant for her father Alexander' – one of Putin's closest aides often dubbed the Russian leader's 'brain'"