International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[Rational Poster]

If you think of it in terms of guerilla marketing for American defense companies, the Ukraine spending is actually probably going to pay for itself.

Not to mention we're not going to commit $5T to the conflict over the next 10 years, let alone the next 5.

This is all lend lease as well so when everything is said and done, assuming we're all here, Ukraine is going to be both morally and financially indebted to the west, bringing them even closer to our markets and way of life which is all they really wanted to begin with.

 

[Zinger]

If it makes you feel better, this country would very likely help estonia due to geopolitical reasons

Latvia and lithuania would be ??????

I only mentioned Finland because Solovyov namedropped them.

But yeah, I'm aware that Finland would drag its balls through glass for Estonia.

 

[Cole train]

I only mentioned Finland because Solovyov namedropped them.

But yeah, I'm aware that Finland would drag its balls through glass for Estonia.

Im not 100 percent sure though lol

Its just our capital would be in strike range from tallinn

 

[SandisLL]

Recently Solovyov is bursting blood vessels, and calling for denazifying of the baltic states and claiming that the eastern part of Latvia wants to seperate and join Russia.

Says that we're a bunch of irrelevant backwards countries, for who the USA and others, maybe except Finland and Poland, won't move a finger, so Russia will take us whenever they feel like it.

Our minister of defense says that the war dragging on longer is beneficial to us, because we have time to prepare to protect our own butts.

Go Ukraine.

You are delusional....
Most likely you don't know why .....
EUR will turn into toilet paper....IF.
With 0 chances to survive and this is reason why U.K and U.S can't not move a finger...
At first, Finland is easily and for cheap to deNazify from Estonia....
With Smerch and Tornado launchers....
Espo.Helsiki etc...cheaply and effective...

Next thing you most likely don't know or can't admit....is reality about credit and mortgage and business and land property situation " who owns this and who will suffer here ".
These countries knew WHY they did what they did....
In order to make west suffer a lot if they next time will attempt to sell them....they will sell also westerners ....and heavily and for a reason...
These countries aren't so stupid and unlike Ukraine did all the best in order to make west pay in depth IF these " friends " will again sell them....
West will suffer a lot if they will " sell " these countries...
And pay with bodies too....
Even if will not be willing to do this...

You don't know a lot of things how world is working....

 

[MTT]

I liked it because it was mainly a funny line. Nothing to be heartbroken about. I don’t necessarily disagree with your assessment, but the US was in a war with the taliban, lost the war and left weapons etc. behind in a hurry. While the US military was leaving the taliban captured the weapons. Now, they may not have captured or destroyed it during a battle, but they captured it during a war. These are the hard facts. Obviously they didn’t capture it the same way the Ukrainians (with major support of the western world) have.

You're conveniently leaving out that weapons captured by the Taliban were procured for the Afghan Security Forces over the previous decades. As the Taliban swept across Afghanistan, the Afghan Security Forces collapsed, leaving the US weapons behind. Ukraine has destroyed 3,000+ and captured 1400+ pieces of equipment while in direct conflict with a major power.

 

[Zinger]

Im not 100 percent sure though lol

Its just our capital would be in strike range from tallinn

If the Baltics are lost, where will finns go to buy cheap alcohol?

 

[Cole train]

If the Baltics are lost, where will finns go to buy cheap alcohol?

If rus jumps baltics liquor will.only become cheaper since rus prices lmao

 

[Zinger]

You are delusional....
Most likely you don't know why .....
EUR will turn into toilet paper....IF.
With 0 chances to survive and this is reason why U.K and U.S can't not move a finger...
At first, Finland is easily and for cheap to deNazify from Estonia....
With Smerch and Tornado launchers....
Espo.Helsiki etc...cheaply and effective...

Next thing you most likely don't know or can't admit....is reality about credit and mortgage and business and land property situation " who owns this and who will suffer here ".
These countries knew WHY they did what they did....
In order to make west suffer a lot if they next time will attempt to sell them....they will sell also westerners ....and heavily and for a reason...
These countries aren't so stupid and unlike Ukraine did all the best in order to make west pay in depth IF these " friends " will again sell them....
West will suffer a lot if they will " sell " these countries...
And pay with bodies too....
Even if will not be willing to do this...

You don't know a lot of things how world is working....

Yeah, I don't know a lot of things about the world. Just like Ivan, I get all my info from TV. Just the surface level stuff, even that barely.

Recently I just pull my head out of my ass when Russians say something mean about us.

 

[method115]

More money , what’s the end goal of USA

Meme makes no sense. If you can't afford food go apply for food stamps that's what they are for. They will give it to you that day if you tell them it's an emergency. Basically we already give people money for food all over this country. Mitt Romney was part of the program, Joe Rogan. It's helped millions of Americans.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

You're conveniently leaving out that weapons captured by the Taliban were procured for the Afghan Security Forces over the previous decades. As the Taliban swept across Afghanistan, the Afghan Security Forces collapsed, leaving the US weapons behind.

buying arms for the afghan security forces was like buying bugattis for the town drunk.

 

[hitcher]

Our attempt to empire build in the middle east has cost us $8T and rising, that's not even considering all the veterans pensions that we will be paying for decades, loss of life, refugee crisis etc.

I am assuming you got that number from here?: https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/figures/2021/BudgetaryCosts

Right, although thats not only one conflict, but actually several wars over 20 years, including 2.2 trillion in obligations of veterans care (not sure if that includes pensions though) over the next 30 years. So 5 trillion (which is not going to happen, because Russia would be bankrupt by then), would be an insane amount for just one war in 5 years.

 

[Zinger]

If rus jumps baltics liquor will.only become cheaper since rus prices lmao

Fuuuuuuck.....

 

[MTT]

buying arms for the afghan security forces was like buying bugattis for the town drunk.

I can't disagree + that pullout was extremely embarrassing. Even so, acting like the Taliban captured the equipment directly from the US is disingenuous. And besides, the original post on the matter stated that the Taliban should have held a military parade with captured US equipment similar to Ukraine. They did:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/15/asia/taliban-military-parade-us-weapons-intl/index.html

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I can't disagree + that pullout was extremely embarrassing. Even so, acting like the Taliban captured the equipment directly from the US is disingenuous. And besides, the original post on the matter stated that the Taliban should have held a military parade with captured US equipment similar to Ukraine. They did:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/15/asia/taliban-military-parade-us-weapons-intl/index.html

yeah, i remember that taliban parade. cringe. oh well.

 

[hitcher]

You're conveniently leaving out that weapons captured by the Taliban were procured for the Afghan Security Forces over the previous decades. As the Taliban swept across Afghanistan, the Afghan Security Forces collapsed, leaving the US weapons behind. Ukraine has destroyed 3,000+ and captured 1400+ pieces of equipment while in direct conflict with a major power.

I am not leaving that out conveniently, it just doesnt matter. The US decided to leave the weapons there (financed by US citizens) and the Taliban captured them. Even if some were partially paid for by Afghanistan, other US weaponry was still left behind.

 

[curryjunkie]

So let’s say 5 years from now we have given 5 trillion would that be ok ? I do agree Russia must be beaten

3 billion to 5 trillion is a bit of a leap, dont you think?

 

[hitcher]

I can't disagree + that pullout was extremely embarrassing. Even so, acting like the Taliban captured the equipment directly from the US is disingenuous. And besides, the original post on the matter stated that the Taliban should have held a military parade with captured US equipment similar to Ukraine. They did:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/15/asia/taliban-military-parade-us-weapons-intl/index.html

Lol, you see I missed that parade. Thats funny that they actually did a parade for the captured weapons. Even CNN calls that video "Taliban parades captured US military vehicles"

At 22 seconds a taliban fighter seems to have a Gucci labeled phone cover, lol

 

[SandisLL]

If it makes you feel better, this country would very likely help estonia due to geopolitical reasons

Latvia and lithuania would be ??????

No one cares about opinions...

Estonia is pretty capable to resist deNazification if it will be only from Narva direction...
Even better than Ukr during first days....
They are capable to turn Ivangorod and Narva HPP into mesh in few hours.....worse than Severodonetsk after month...in few hours...

While if they will deNazify Estonia from Latvia?
Few hours and you will get Smerch launchers shelling Helsinki, Espo from Estonia....
Also...they doesn't need even control all Latvia, just some small pieces of coastal areas in order for cheap and comfortably shell Sweden and Finland with cruise missiles and with low risk for perssonel...

Plus most likely you can't imagine number of Finnish and Swedish bussinesses ...that will ask for bailout...
ECB and Sveriges Rigsbank already might prepare printers....and it will not be joke...

You even know who owns banking sector, credit sector and xxxx businesses in these countries?

Lithuania too is cool example...
Missile silos designed to be aimed on U.K and Paris are waiting for liberators...
Just to install...Bristol.London. Paris...
+ it isn't so unimportant country at all...
About ukraine ppl agreed that cos they does have 5-12% wheat export in world they are important...
Lithuania does have 70% world's share in fs upsic lasers market...
Prices will pop up as hell...and it is for R&D and not just mainstream crap for casuals...
&cool database services for U.K and E.U banks....
Etc stuff...

Plus if they will be able to close Suvalk corridor....they will not stop...they will go to Poland...
And then sausages eaters will...rush to relocate to France and U.K...
ASAP...
Sausages eaters now just are dreaming that Poland will be like Ukraine No2?
Maybe for Poland and Baltic countries better choice might be negotiate with China and a bit with Russia and deNazify France and Germany....
Don't worry...Macaron isn't able to turn key and gave code so they does not have nukes...They aren't pakis, therefore even Lavrov is talking to them like king vs nobodies...unlike with pakis...

U.K maybe will turn keys if there....maybe...

 

[Denter]

Not to mention we're not going to commit $5T to the conflict over the next 10 years, let alone the next 5.

This is all lend lease as well so when everything is said and done, assuming we're all here, Ukraine is going to be both morally and financially indebted to the west, bringing them even closer to our markets and way of life which is all they really wanted to begin with.

I think regardless of what happens Ukraine will be broke for the foreseeable future. There are few good reasons to think otherwise.

What I was more thinking of is third countries making defense decisions and seeing how US weapons are very effective against the cheap Russian crap their opponents are likely to have.

 

[SandisLL]

If rus jumps baltics liquor will.only become cheaper since rus prices lmao

Delusional dreamer...
At first most likeley then Finland's areas like Espo and Helsinki will be deNazified from distance for cheap...
As second chance...you will pay damn a lot to bail out companies and banks, investment funds etc nice suff in Finland...
With euro turning closer and closer to toilet paper worth piece...