International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

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Phlog said:
@hitcher

How did you like this?

Blatant propaganda, lacking in fact. Suggesting that the equipment America left in Afghanistan (because it was cheaper to buy new equipment than repair old, or because the politicians got campaign donations from equipment manufacturers) is equivalent to equipment destroyed and captured by an enemy force in a live conflict, is disingenuous.

It's not like for like.

Is it because regardless of the lack of logic it fulfills your narrative desires?
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I liked it because it was mainly a funny line. Nothing to be heartbroken about. I don’t necessarily disagree with your assessment, but the US was in a war with the taliban, lost the war and left weapons etc. behind in a hurry. While the US military was leaving the taliban captured the weapons. Now, they may not have captured or destroyed it during a battle, but they captured it during a war. These are the hard facts. Obviously they didn’t capture it the same way the Ukrainians (with major support of the western world) have.
 
Strychnine said:
Putin reinstates Stalin-era decree

"Russian President Vladimir Putin recently reinstated a Soviet-era award, giving women who have ten or more children a single payment of a million rubles (worth $16,747 USD, as of publishing).

The honorary title and certification of "Mother Heroine" are given to the mother once their tenth living child turns 1 year old.

According to Putin's decree, mothers will still be eligible for the award if their child dies as a result of war or from an act of terrorism, or in an emergency situation."

Putin reinstates Stalin-era decree (msn.com)

Ten or more children?!?!?

<Moyes5>
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Trying to pump up that low birth rate
 
Rational Poster said:
Russian paratrooper Pavel Filatyev defected and released a manifesto after fleeing the country. He released a 141 page document detailing his tour of duty during the first few months of the war. He was active in the Kherson region of the conflict before being injured.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/21/ukraine-russian-soldier-diary/



Aftermath: Remaining silent no longer

I survived, unlike many others. My conscience tells me that I must try to stop this madness. … We did not have the moral right to attack another country, especially the people closest to us.

This is an army that bullies its own soldiers, those who have already been in the war, those who do not want to return there and die for something they don’t even understand.

I will tell you a secret. The majority in the army, they are dissatisfied with what is happening there, they are dissatisfied with the government and their command, they are dissatisfied with Putin and his policies, they are dissatisfied with the Minister of Defense who did not serve in the army.

The main enemy of all Russians and Ukrainians is propaganda, which just further fuels hatred in people.

I can no longer watch all this happen and remain silent.
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Beat me to it was going to post this story.

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(CNN)The Kremlin's justification for invading Ukraine "is a lie," a Russian paratrooper who previously publicly condemned his country's war in Ukraine has told CNN.

Two weeks ago, Pavel Filatyev spoke out against the conflict in a 141-page-long testimony posted to his VKontakte social media page, then fled Russia. He is the first serving member of the Russian military to publicly criticize the invasion of Ukraine and leave the country.
Now he tells CNN that his fellow troops as tired, hungry and disillusioned -- and that the Kremlin's war effort is "destroying peaceful lives."
"We understood that we were dragged into a serious conflict where we are simply destroying towns and not actually liberating anyone," Filatyev told CNN's Matthew Chance. CNN is not disclosing the location of the interview for the security of the interviewee.
 
Rational Poster said:
To keep Russia from taking over Ukraine, obviously.
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Don't feed the trolls lol. Oh another US is not just giving this stuff away it's part of an arms deal that Ukraine agreed to and will reimburse over like a decade.
 
In other news even though US has denied it more an more people believe that Ukraine has sent a number of Pilots to the US. I believe Utah to train on A-10 Warthogs that have been decommissioned but US still has enough replacement parts to keep them running for the length of the war. Hill is an A-10 base pretty big one at that and has a long history with the A-10.

https://www.hill.af.mil/News/Articl...xperience-takes-off-at-hill-aerospace-museum/
 
Cole train said:
Nah next war rus has is civil conflict when god emperor dies, another maidan coming with guys struggling for power
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Recently Solovyov is bursting blood vessels, and calling for denazifying of the baltic states and claiming that the eastern part of Latvia wants to seperate and join Russia.

Says that we're a bunch of irrelevant backwards countries, for who the USA and others, maybe except Finland and Poland, won't move a finger, so Russia will take us whenever they feel like it.

You never know about Putin. The rat is most dangerous when it's backed into a corner.

<Fedor23>
 
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ShadowRun said:
So let’s say 5 years from now we have given 5 trillion would that be ok ? I do agree Russia must be beaten
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Yeah, that's chump change when you're talking the current scale of geo politics and warfare.

We've spent way more on conflicts of far less importance with way worse results.

Here we have the opportunity to humiliate Putin and Russia, continue to demonstrate to the world our technology superiority, and begin to future proof our existing weapon systems without risking a single American life. Not to mention all the American jobs it will both create and safeguard in the arms industry.

It's a bargain really especially when considering this is mostly lead lease stuff and not just gifts.
 
Rational Poster said:
Yeah, that's chump change when you're talking the current scale of geo politics and warfare.

We've spent way more on conflicts of far less importance with way worse results.

Here we have the opportunity to humiliate Putin and Russia, continue to demonstrate to the world our technology superiority, and begin to future proof our existing weapon systems without risking a single American life. Not to mention all the American jobs it will both create and safeguard in the arms industry.

It's a bargain really especially when considering this is mostly lead lease stuff and not just gifts.
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Wait, for which conflicts has the US spend way more than 5 trillion?
 
Rational Poster said:
Our attempt to empire build in the middle east has cost us $8T and rising, that's not even considering all the veterans pensions that we will be paying for decades, loss of life, refugee crisis etc.
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If you think of it in terms of guerilla marketing for American defense companies, the Ukraine spending is actually probably going to pay for itself.
 
Zinger said:
Recently Solovyov is bursting blood vessels, and calling for denazifying of the baltic states and claiming that the eastern part of Latvia wants to seperate and join Russia.

Says that we're a bunch of irrelevant backwards countries, for who the USA and others, maybe except Finland and Poland, won't move a finger, so Russia will take us whenever they feel like it.

Our minister of defense says that the war dragging on longer is beneficial to us, because we have time to prepare to protect our own butts.

You never know about Putin. The rat is most dangerous when it's backed into a corner.

<Fedor23>
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If it makes you feel better, this country would very likely help estonia due to geopolitical reasons

Latvia and lithuania would be ??????
 
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