International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V7

[SandisLL]

Saw a good report on how Russia using foreign media to spread continuous and questionable claims about how well they are doing on the war. Funny how we cannot get to Russia any information about Ukraine successes and the brutality of Russian fighting units. I do not know why we continue to provide a free platform for them to confuse the public while they keep a locked box in Russia.

That's cos we are pussies.
We aren't even Obama, not alone Clinton or God Help Reagan...

 

[Videer]

I have questions.

 

[Strychnine]

A quick vid on the story that Russian prisoners are being used in Ukraine.

I've seen the guy in the still before in a documentary. He's in Russia's "Black Dolphin" prison for cannibalism.

 

[Rob Battisti]

@GhostZ06

Why don’t we have tanks that have the same gun as an A-10? I imagine a tank having two of those bad boys on top of it would be formidable.

 

[Badr Hari]

The country was very nearly split.

Hell no. I just hope you aren't one of those guys who were insisting on volume 1 of this thread how ukrainian people would meet russian soldiers with flowers and how ukrainian military would put up the russian flag on their vehicles and headquarters once Zelensky and his government flees to Poland.

 

[Strychnine]

I have questions.

What the He//?!?!?

 

[SandisLL]

@GhostZ06

Why don’t we have tanks that have the same gun as an A-10? I imagine a tank having two of those bad boys on top of it would be formidable.

In general for tanks front ( glacis and front of turret )....
you need at least modern 120 mm smoothbore gun + ammuniton better than Ukr had in february....
Ukr army was oboslete in multiple fields btw....

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

I have questions.

give ivan sword and he'll turn it into artillery

 

[Snowblindlove]

Hell no. I just hope you aren't one of those guys who were insisting on volume 1 of this thread how ukrainian people would meet russian soldiers with flowers and how ukrainian military would put up the russian flag on their vehicles and headquarters once Zelensky and his government flees to Poland.

I never said and anyone who did had a clearly misinformed view. My point is that the 2002, 2006 and 2010 elections as were the ones in the 1990s were recognized by the western world the United States included. In all those elections especially 2002 onward the divisions grew

In the 2010 election this was clearest because anyone who voted for Yanukvocih clearly wanted a pro Russian leader who would play ball with Russia. His platform was not joining Russia but was essentially going along how Belarus does that was evident to anyone who paid attention back then. So in other words becoming like Belarus means remaining legally a country but essentially being no more independent than Scottland or Wales are in the UK and both take orders from London/England. A similar thing exists with Belarus inside of Russia's ''Union State'' economic formation.

The maps below show my point

Also there are predominent Ukrainian speakers who agree with Russia and voted for Yankuvocich.

Also there was a trend in the 2002 election, 2006, and 2010.. Then all of a sudden a coup happens and martial law and then you start seeing regions and population centers that once heavily voted for pro Russian parties now voting for pro Ukrainianian and pro Bandera parties? Do you honestly expect anyone to not be supicious to that?

Well I don't pretend the residents of Kiev like Russia. Most dont they have been brainwashed not to and a ton love Bandera and all that stuff

But the people of the Donbass, a lot of people of Kharkov, and the people of Odessa, Kherson, Zaporzhizhia and a lot of Nykolaiv do like Russia.

See below one of just many showing behind the scenes opinions that mainstream western media is ignoring

Then 2007 below parliment elections. Even more voting for the pro Russian east and south of the country is

The blue '''party of regions''' is a heavily pro Russian party that is NOW illegal thanks to anti democratic zelensky and his Bandera fans banning it

 

[Blayt7hh]

I have questions.

....

 

[Badr Hari]

I never said and anyone who did had a clearly misinformed view. My point is that the 2002, 2006 and 2010 elections as were the ones in the 1990s were recognized by the western world the United States included. In all those elections especially 2002 onward the divisions grew

In the 2010 election this was clearest because anyone who voted for Yanukvocih clearly wanted a pro Russian leader who would play ball with Russia. His platform was not joining Russia but was essentially going along how Belarus does that was evident to anyone who paid attention back then. So in other words becoming like Belarus means remaining legally a country but essentially being no more independent than Scottland or Wales are in the UK and both take orders from London/England. A similar thing exists with Belarus inside of Russia's ''Union State'' economic formation.

The maps below show my point

Also there are predominent Ukrainian speakers who agree with Russia and voted for Yankuvocich.

Also there was a trend in the 2002 election, 2006, and 2010.. Then all of a sudden a coup happens and martial law and then you start seeing regions and population centers that once heavily voted for pro Russian parties now voting for pro Ukrainianian and pro Bandera parties? Do you honestly expect anyone to not be supicious to that?

Well I don't pretend the residents of Kiev like Russia. Most dont they have been brainwashed not to and a ton love Bandera and all that stuff

But the people of the Donbass, a lot of people of Kharkov, and the people of Odessa, Kherson, Zaporzhizhia and a lot of Nykolaiv do like Russia.

See below one of just many showing behind the scenes opinions that mainstream western media is ignoring

Then 2007 below parliment elections. Even more voting for the pro Russian east and south of the country is

The blue '''party of regions''' is a heavily pro Russian party that is NOW illegal thanks to anti democratic zelensky and his Bandera fans banning it

Public opinion is a dynamic quantity. It changes based on the actions of other subjects and people's own ambitions. I have followed important russian speaking ukrainians before Feb 24th and they were mainly pro-russian and are since Feb 24th loud supporters of the current Ukrainian national state system.

This is the tremendeous counter-effect of Putin's special military operation. Turned uninterested into politics or indifferent or silently pro-russian ukrainians into ukrainian nationalists with one terrible decision taken on the night of Feb 24th.

 

[GhostZ06]

@GhostZ06

Why don’t we have tanks that have the same gun as an A-10? I imagine a tank having two of those bad boys on top of it would be formidable.

closest thing youll get is VAD

We did have one pitched back in the day but it only went as far as mock up stage. there was a mock up of a m48 patton with Gau-8 on it called DIVAD

 

[GhostZ06]

I have questions.

um...

 

[ferrisjso]

I never said and anyone who did had a clearly misinformed view. My point is that the 2002, 2006 and 2010 elections as were the ones in the 1990s were recognized by the western world the United States included. In all those elections especially 2002 onward the divisions grew

In the 2010 election this was clearest because anyone who voted for Yanukvocih clearly wanted a pro Russian leader who would play ball with Russia. His platform was not joining Russia but was essentially going along how Belarus does that was evident to anyone who paid attention back then. So in other words becoming like Belarus means remaining legally a country but essentially being no more independent than Scottland or Wales are in the UK and both take orders from London/England. A similar thing exists with Belarus inside of Russia's ''Union State'' economic formation.

The maps below show my point

Also there are predominent Ukrainian speakers who agree with Russia and voted for Yankuvocich.

Also there was a trend in the 2002 election, 2006, and 2010.. Then all of a sudden a coup happens and martial law and then you start seeing regions and population centers that once heavily voted for pro Russian parties now voting for pro Ukrainianian and pro Bandera parties? Do you honestly expect anyone to not be supicious to that?

Well I don't pretend the residents of Kiev like Russia. Most dont they have been brainwashed not to and a ton love Bandera and all that stuff

But the people of the Donbass, a lot of people of Kharkov, and the people of Odessa, Kherson, Zaporzhizhia and a lot of Nykolaiv do like Russia.

See below one of just many showing behind the scenes opinions that mainstream western media is ignoring

Then 2007 below parliment elections. Even more voting for the pro Russian east and south of the country is

The blue '''party of regions''' is a heavily pro Russian party that is NOW illegal thanks to anti democratic zelensky and his Bandera fans banning it

Good breakdown. The amount of time you putting into educating them is admirable.

 

[Rob Battisti]

closest thing youll get is VAD

We did have one pitched back in the day but it only went as far as mock up stage. there was a mock up of a m48 patton with Gau-8 on it called DIVAD

Could envision a turret with one A-10 cannon on each side just BLASTING

 

[Snowblindlove]

Public opinion is a dynamic quantity. It changes based on the actions of other subjects and people's own ambitions. I have followed important russian speaking ukrainians before Feb 24th and they were mainly pro-russian and are since Feb 24th loud supporters of the current Ukrainian national state system.

This is the tremendeous counter-effect of Putin's special military operation. Turned uninterested into politics or indifferent or silently pro-russian ukrainians into ukrainian nationalists with one terrible decision taken on the night of Feb 24th.

Man you are not being realistic here. You are ignoring massive trends and looking at 1 rigged election that took place after a coup and years of martial law and using that to say everyone changed their minds.

The reality now shown is the people in Zaporzhizhia, Kherson, Lugansk, Donetsk hate the Ukrainian army and Bandera Nazis and want to become Russian citizens. That French I24 video showed them welcoming Russian troops who liberate. Just imagine when the historic pro Russian city of Odessa and Nykolaiv and their entire regions are liberated it will be swift as their is very little actual pro native ukranian sentiement.

 

[Snowblindlove]

Public opinion is a dynamic quantity. It changes based on the actions of other subjects and people's own ambitions. I have followed important russian speaking ukrainians before Feb 24th and they were mainly pro-russian and are since Feb 24th loud supporters of the current Ukrainian national state system.

This is the tremendeous counter-effect of Putin's special military operation. Turned uninterested into politics or indifferent or silently pro-russian ukrainians into ukrainian nationalists with one terrible decision taken on the night of Feb 24th.

Well history is written by the victors. God wants Russia to win and they are winning economically. In 5 years a lot of people will look back and see the truth. It may take 10 years or longer for the really brainwashed non nazi ukrainians who got behind the lie that is Zelensky and his regime but eventually as the West falls people will see it was a plot by the West to turn Ukrainians against Russia for geopolitical means.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Well history is written by the victors. God wants Russia to win and they are winning economically. In 5 years a lot of people will look back and see the truth. It may take 10 years or longer for the really brainwashed non nazi ukrainians who got behind the lie that is Zelensky and his regime but eventually as the West falls people will see it was a plot by the West to turn Ukrainians against Russia for geopolitical means.

Don't ever call people brainwashed when your stance is 'God wants this'.

You're not a sheepherder, it's not 1,000 BC, you can leave your scarytales at the door next time.

 

[Badr Hari]

God wants Russia to win and they are winning economically. In 5 years a lot of people will look back and see the truth. It may take 10 years or longer for the really brainwashed non nazi ukrainians who got behind the lie that is Zelensky and his regime but eventually as the West falls people will see it was a plot by the West to turn Ukrainians against Russia

God understands only russian and serbian languages, I've been told that story multiple times already. Fuck the West, Putin is our saviour!

Where do you live btw, if you don't mind telling us? (most of the posters here tell their country of origin anyway) I'm really curious.

 

[Badr Hari]

Just heard Putin's speech from today. He referred to what is happening in Ukraine now multiple times as 'war'. I guess even he himself got tired from the infinitely extended 'special operation'. In between lines he was accepting defeat of the SMO in a way.