International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V7

[boxingskills]

I feel like its the other way around. We appear to basically be at Ukraines beck and call.

Money laundering is a 2 way operation.

 

[Bacco]

If they invade a NATO country it will have to be behind the threat of nukes. Because without nukes the west curbstomps russia in a week.

Of course it will be used as flexing card, but unless they go full kamikaze and just become ok to embrace self destruction to inflict maximum damage, they will not use nukes

Russia likely loses to the west without nukes, but lose WAY worse with nukes

In the former scenario they will lose territiories in the eastern/north euro area and will be pushed back home licking their wounds losing some strategic positions, and west may follow up with proxy war somewhere to keep the pushing going on, but still would not be as bad as what they will lose if they use nukes

Also Russia win or lose needs to stay strong for self defence because best friend China would like grab (or control) eastern russian lands, if they become too weak they're 1 picture of what "eastern-russians" looks like (asian as fuck) for China to start say that area naturally belong to China and that people over there desire reunification
That's one funny thing about the anti-west alliance, these nations may become more direct threat to each other than west is for them... add possible corruption/ under the table deal of one of them with the west, and it's not much stable ground to have feet on

My impression is Russia knows to not be able of win the clash, but still want "do something about it" for Nato push, wich is why their winning scenario is not an actual win but try obtain a stalemate trying to turn/keep nations in the middle as buffer zone

Clash with the west today would be retarded, specially considering west is going to likely face big stability problems with demographic change few decades ahead
Smart China mostly just mind his business and wait us to drown in our own shit

 

[Nada.]

Maybe not. I'd hazard a guess there's still plenty tho.

Twisted logic? Oh you want a fuck putin and fuck the war statement as well?

Well fuck putin and fuck the war.

Doesn't mean I'm going to cheer about long range artillery smashing innocents just like the past 8 years.

Im not happy with any war resulting effects on civilians but what else to do? Give up and let the russians keep their own souvereign Land?!

Situation is fucked up but there really isnt any other way than to defend and to try to rake it back.

And it was russia who started aggressive Invasion back with annection of crimea. They couldve tried to find another solution to the east West ucrainian differences but choose military.

 

[lsa]

Im not happy with any war resulting effects on civilians but what else to do? Give up and let the russians keep their own souvereign Land?!

Situation is fucked up but there really isnt any other way than to defend and to try to rake it back.

And it was russia who started aggressive Invasion back with annection of crimea. They couldve tried to find another solution to the east West ucrainian differences but choose military.

Russia is a part of UN's security council, I mean they could have made a proposition to send UN to watch the civil war in Donbas..

 

[Nada.]

Russia is a part of UN's security council, I mean they could have made a proposition to send UN to watch the civil war in Donbas..

Exactly.

 

[Rholk]

Russia is a part of UN's security council, I mean they could have made a proposition to send UN to watch the civil war in Donbas..

Too bad they're usually the ones that block stuff like that

 

[PEB]

Unavailable in my country... what's the vid ?

Republicans meeting with Zelensky in Ukraine a delegation that includes Mitch McConnell an a Texas Senator.

 

[Zinger]

@Cole train how is it in Finland regarding conscription?

Do they care if you have kids or no?

 

[Snowblindlove]

Those people are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I have more sympathy though for the ones that are Ukrainian and love their country but don't want to be pushed off their land.

I get that some are ethnically Russian and would prefer Russian leadership but they are the minority in the country and can't just annex land. It seems a bit similar to a CHAZ scenario if they had backing from Canada. Nobody here would be OK with that.

It is tyranny and violent to be against secession or self determimation for a peaceful people.

The whole war is based on a lie (heard that before). The majority of Russian citizens actually believe that Ukrainians is being run by Nazis. You can see videos online of their citizens believing all the lies when questioned.

 

[Cole train]

@Cole train how is it in Finland regarding conscription?

Do they care if you have kids or no?

They expect you to serve but they can flex a bit that you create yourself a window of time when you can do it.

Like friend served last year at 25 because he had to look out for kids earlier since they were babies

 

[Anewt]

Republicans meeting with Zelensky in Ukraine a delegation that includes Mitch McConnell an a Texas Senator.

Wonder why it's blocked for Australians. Odd

 

[Zinger]

They expect you to serve but they can flex a bit that you create yourself a window of time when you can do it.

Like friend served last year at 25 because he had to look out for kids earlier since they were babies

I think government might be using this to improve demographics, especially regarding conscription of women.

If you want to avoid the army, have babies.

4-D chess.

 

[PEB]

Wonder why it's blocked for Australians. Odd

I think because Australia has a version of CBS that broadcasts there in Australia.

 

[PEB]

 

[AWilder]

The Ukrainian use of artillery is a huge change in capabilities and usage of artillery. It's really amazing how well they are performing. I'm not sure if it's because they are on their own turf or some of the modernized fire control systems they have developed but it's really impressive to see them use these like long range snipers instead of just an area of effect barrage.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Can someone sum up what's happening? Russia is being a POS but at the same time Ukraine and the Bidens did some shady/bribery/criminal shenanigans so this whole "support Ukraine till the end" bs isn't what it seems?

It has nothing to do with American bipartisan politics. The only people that believe that are the ones with their heads stuck up their asses.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

It is tyranny and violent to be against secession or self determimation for a peaceful people.

They can self determine to move to Russia.

 

[PEB]

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Yeah that logic doesnt work as it is ethnic cleansing. Palestinians can just move to Jordan. Uyughrs can just move to Kazakhstan. Native Americans can just move to a reservation or Guatemala.

Ukraine is getting what it deserves all that happens is Gods will and they caused this. Also let us not even factor in a pro russian elected leader was illegally overthrown in 2014.

Also Ukraine is killing their own citizens they are shelling Donetsk city right now. Those are Ukrainian citizens who due to dislike of the Nazi government choose to seek refugee from Russia.

Ukraine is such a failure they hardly are even killing actual Russian troops. Their gains of damage they inflicted early on against DPR forces were Ukrainian citizens who joined a pro russian resistance. Again Ukrainoan citizens about 100k to 150k are fighting against the Ukrainian government. The Donbass forces are almost entirely actual Ukrainian citizens by law and most dont have russian citizenship. If they acquired Russian citizenship it was recent.

Russia lost control of their puppet government and switched to going for a land grab instead. If they had stuck to just annexing Crimea they would probably only have had to deal with sanctions pertaining to that area and most of the international community wouldn't have cared much. Their continued aggression shows their true intentions. Not to mention their literal statements before invading. Putin has dreams of restoring Russia to it's former glory but those days are long gone.

 

[Snowblindlove]

Russia lost control of their puppet government and switched to going for a land grab instead. If they had stuck to just annexing Ukraine they would probably only have had to deal with sanctions pertaining to that area and most of the international community wouldn't have cared much. Their continued aggression shows their true intentions. Not to mention their literal statements before invading. Putin has dreams of restoring Russia to it's former glory but those days are long gone.

You are making semantic arguments.

The entire Donbass and Crimea recognition were keys for peace. Ukriane blew that. Now the Russian demands are all of Donetsk, Lugansk oblast (the Donbass as these 2 regions are referred to) and now all of Zaporzhizhia and Kherson. Ukraine rejected this

Now Russia will soon demand Kharkov, Nikolayev, and Odessa traditionally pro Russian areas.

Ukraine is only getting what God wants. It is being punished for its past and it caused this. It cannot be denied that 40% to 50% of Ukraine supports Russia. Odessa wants liberation it cannot be left to the Nazis