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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V7

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IIRC used to be like that in most Nordic countries.
I had several friends who went home to do the service back when.
It was that or a few months in jail or do none military service.

Its not like the police / military will go after you trying to find you.
So the enforcement was not very strict and since there are no passport requirements between the Nordic countries no problem really.

But yeah on papper you could end up in jail / or forced to do military service going back visiting grandma
That´s not entirely true. At least for Denmark. There was a draft day every year where you basically drew a number and if it was under a certain number you were serving (usually 10k and under. I drew like 33k+).. Back in the day it was 9 months and I think today it is 4. Draftees were not even remotely close to being sent into combat. It was more just basic training.

Now if you drew a number that meant you had to serve you had a few options. You could do nothing and wait for the summons where to show up and when. You could join voluntarily and have a say in where you were placed. If you absolutely didn´t want to serve you could be a military objector and you would get something else assigned for those 9/4 months. One of my friends did gardening around churches for 9 months. it´s even paid work (draftees are paid salaries as well)
 
Well that's good. That the general feeling of most ?

It's hard to say. We need to wait for the dust to settle down and think with cooler heads.

This bombshell got dropped on us yesterday afternoon, without previou discussions. People are running around like headless chickens right now.

There was a poll on latvian reddit yesterday.

850 people voted that they like it, 1000 voted that they hate it.
 
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It's hard to say. We need to wait for the dust to settle down and think with cooler heads. This bombshell got dropped on us yesterday afternoon, people are all over the place.

Wise choice
 
IIRC used to be like that in most Nordic countries.
I had several friends who went home to do the service back when.
It was that or a few months in jail or do none military service.

Its not like the police / military will go after you trying to find you.
So the enforcement was not very strict and since there are no passport requirements between the Nordic countries no problem really.

But yeah on papper you could end up in jail / or forced to do military service going back visiting grandma

They dont hunt you here atleast but it comes up in database when you try to renew your passport for example and thats when they get you

Edit ah you mentioned it lol
 
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That´s not entirely true. At least for Denmark. There was a draft day every year where you basically drew a number and if it was under a certain number you were serving (usually 10k and under. I drew like 33k+).. Back in the day it was 9 months and I think today it is 4. Draftees were not even remotely close to being sent into combat. It was more just basic training.

Now if you drew a number that meant you had to serve you had a few options. You could do nothing and wait for the summons where to show up and when. You could join voluntarily and have a say in where you were placed. If you absolutely didn´t want to serve you could be a military objector and you would get something else assigned for those 9/4 months. One of my friends did gardening around churches for 9 months. it´s even paid work (draftees are paid salaries as well)

As I said IIRC, I am old.
Secondly, we are talking about drafters that live abroad. Not people in the country getting drafted.
I also said you could do none military service if you were an objector.
 
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DRUZHKIVKA, Ukraine — Four months after Russia invaded Ukraine, foreign combat veterans who answered the Ukrainian president’s call to fight are grappling with the grueling reality of a war unlike any they have seen.

Many are American and British veterans of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, where they could count on calling in airstrikes for protection and other critical support. In Ukraine, the military effort is essentially bare-bones, leaving Ukrainian forces — and their foreign-fighter allies — to face a larger and better armed Russian invasion force without basics, like steady meals, and even some tools of modern warfare that would help them level the field.

“This is way more intense than what I saw in Afghanistan,” said Brian, a former U.S. Army paratrooper, who did not want his last name used for security reasons. “This is combat, combat.”

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"That reality, volunteer fighters say, has driven away some of the hundreds of men who first arrived in Ukraine to help fight what many felt was a just, and deeply lopsided, war. Of those who remain, some now work directly for the Ukrainian military, which has used them quietly and effectively to plug gaps in frontline abilities, including filling a desperate need for medics."

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Some would-be fighters are still wandering the country — their goals vary and include building an online following, getting a first taste of battle or, in some cases, finding others who espouse far-right beliefs, according to fellow fighters. But the most professional foreign soldiers have increasingly earned respect from their Ukrainian comrades, as well as the country’s leaders.


Oleksiy Arestovych, an adviser to President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, especially applauded those who fought recently in one of the war’s most grueling battles, in Sievierodonetsk, saying that their “motivation, professionalism, their preparedness for urban warfare” played an important role in holding off the Russian troops for so long.
They are “just what we needed,” he said.

The numbers of foreign dead pale in comparison with the losses suffered by the Ukrainians, but the risks that the fighters from abroad face have been reinforced in recent weeks. On June 9, Russia sentenced three captured foreigners to death, and reports have surfaced of at least four American deaths on the battlefield. In the most recent case, the State Department confirmed on June 22 that Stephen Zabielski, 52, an Army veteran, was killed in May after stepping on a land mine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/07/world/europe/foreign-fighters-ukraine.html
 
It's really sad how this little clown still has an audience of people willing to let him convince them that there's a good reason to keep sacrificing thousands of his countrymen for no real reason.

I'm just going to remind everyone again that the West has not provided Ukraine with any capabilities that Ukraine hasn't already had beaten out of it by Russia. Except that the Ukrainians were more capable with the analogs that they started the war with, 'cos they were trained with them.
 
It's really sad how this little clown still has an audience of people willing to let him convince them that there's a good reason to keep sacrificing thousands of his countrymen for no real reason.

I'm just going to remind everyone again that the West has not provided Ukraine with any capabilities that Ukraine hasn't already had beaten out of it by Russia. Except that the Ukrainians were more capable with the analogs that they started the war with, 'cos they were trained with them.

defending against an invader is not a real reason?
 
Russia is hoping Ukraine uses the western provided weapons to attack Moscow (which they wont). They know that this will end Western support if they do
Incoming actual false flag operation
 
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DRUZHKIVKA, Ukraine — Four months after Russia invaded Ukraine, foreign combat veterans who answered the Ukrainian president’s call to fight are grappling with the grueling reality of a war unlike any they have seen.

Many are American and British veterans of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, where they could count on calling in airstrikes for protection and other critical support. In Ukraine, the military effort is essentially bare-bones, leaving Ukrainian forces — and their foreign-fighter allies — to face a larger and better armed Russian invasion force without basics, like steady meals, and even some tools of modern warfare that would help them level the field.

“This is way more intense than what I saw in Afghanistan,” said Brian, a former U.S. Army paratrooper, who did not want his last name used for security reasons. “This is combat, combat.”

"

"That reality, volunteer fighters say, has driven away some of the hundreds of men who first arrived in Ukraine to help fight what many felt was a just, and deeply lopsided, war. Of those who remain, some now work directly for the Ukrainian military, which has used them quietly and effectively to plug gaps in frontline abilities, including filling a desperate need for medics."

"
Some would-be fighters are still wandering the country — their goals vary and include building an online following, getting a first taste of battle or, in some cases, finding others who espouse far-right beliefs, according to fellow fighters. But the most professional foreign soldiers have increasingly earned respect from their Ukrainian comrades, as well as the country’s leaders.


Oleksiy Arestovych, an adviser to President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, especially applauded those who fought recently in one of the war’s most grueling battles, in Sievierodonetsk, saying that their “motivation, professionalism, their preparedness for urban warfare” played an important role in holding off the Russian troops for so long.
They are “just what we needed,” he said.

The numbers of foreign dead pale in comparison with the losses suffered by the Ukrainians, but the risks that the fighters from abroad face have been reinforced in recent weeks. On June 9, Russia sentenced three captured foreigners to death, and reports have surfaced of at least four American deaths on the battlefield. In the most recent case, the State Department confirmed on June 22 that Stephen Zabielski, 52, an Army veteran, was killed in May after stepping on a land mine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/07/world/europe/foreign-fighters-ukraine.html

Yea was mentioned by our volunteers that nato guys have trouble without air support back in like may
 
They are using US made air defense systems and are taking out Russian cruise missiles. It really gives you a sense of how superior US defense systems are to Russian.

 
It's really sad how this little clown still has an audience of people willing to let him convince them that there's a good reason to keep sacrificing thousands of his countrymen for no real reason.

I'm just going to remind everyone again that the West has not provided Ukraine with any capabilities that Ukraine hasn't already had beaten out of it by Russia. Except that the Ukrainians were more capable with the analogs that they started the war with, 'cos they were trained with them.
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A large portion of the Ukranian Military are actual Nazis, lol. You have to be deep, deep in a bubble of Left Wing Propaganda to not be aware of that.
You're a special kind of troll to try to sell the left wing propaganda. Oh nice avatar.

 
Not many ukrainians left there.

Not to even mention your twisted logic here...

Maybe not. I'd hazard a guess there's still plenty tho.

Twisted logic? Oh you want a fuck putin and fuck the war statement as well?

Well fuck putin and fuck the war.

Doesn't mean I'm going to cheer about long range artillery smashing innocents just like the past 8 years.
 
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