International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[b-hop]

Yes largely considered a key mistake that allowed Hitlers advance to get to the point where it actually threatened the entire world.



As he should have been as it was largely accepted the US entry, at any point, would have ended that war earlier and not allowed it to pose the threat it did.


If you actually knew anything about history and wars you would realize, 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' is a strategy in war that is as old as war, itself is. Very often enemies will partner and make deals so they can take on the immediate threat to both of them.

This is not new. It is very strategic. And can be very smart to do.

If you approach wars with a child like understanding, as you do, you think there is a point in pointing that out.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, so it's okay to let a mass genocider having half Europe.
Just because, not because they couldn't, they just choosed not to fight them.


In the same let's threw billions of dollars into a hopless cause the Chosen One thinks Ukraine it's ridiculous crucial to the US security.
And than he speaks about childish understading.
Genius.

 

[ChosenOne]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, so it's okay to let a mass genocider having half Europe.
Just because, not because they couldn't, they just choosed not to fight them.


In the same let's threw billions of dollars into a hopless cause the Chosen One thinks Ukraine it's ridiculous crucial to the US security.
And than he speaks about childish understading.
Genius.

the issue you have is I never made that argument that is ok. So in your stupidity and inability to argue against anything i say you are arguing against yourself.

At the time of Hitler's rise, the US was mostly isolationist and viewed threats mostly as things that only directly targeted them.

So both Hitlers march and the USSR one could both be bad and both be mostly ignored by the US and we looking back thru history can judge that wrong, but that does not change the fact that until the US was DRAWN into the war by Japan, or another action they would have stayed out of both.

You do not get any points by saying 'since they did not go after the USSR they then should not go after Hitler'.

When the US did decide to go after Hitler (and Japan) the fact that HItler was also waging war on the USSR and that helped the allies, does not mean the allies should not welcome that front of the battle against Hitler, even if the USSR was an enemy.

You, again are applying a child like approach to a dynamic that requires an adult lens to view it.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

What deterrence did Biden provoke exactly? Putin invaded Ukraine anyway.

The deterrence is all the countries that have come to UKR's aid and supply them arms and aid. Russia did not expect this to last 3 years and destroy their country in many ways for decades to come because of the SMO. When they took crimea everyone basically took a knee to Putler, this time around it was a bit different and I think Putler if he could go back would not have invaded if he knew what he knows now.

 

[Osculater]

Sounds like something someone with dissociative identity disorder would say.

 

[b-hop]

the issue you have is I never made that argument that is ok. So in your stupidity and inability to argue against anything i say you are arguing against yourself.

At the time of Hitler's rise, the US was mostly isolationist and viewed threats mostly as things that only directly targeted them.

So both Hitlers march and the USSR one could both be bad and both be mostly ignored by the US and we looking back thru history can judge that wrong, but that does not change the fact that until the US was DRAWN into the war by Japan, or another action they would have stayed out of both.

You do not get any points by saying 'since they did not go after the USSR they then should not go after Hitler'.

When the US did decide to go after Hitler (and Japan) the fact that HItler was also waging war on the USSR and that helped the allies, does not mean the allies should not welcome that front of the battle against Hitler, even if the USSR was an enemy.

You, again are applying a child like approach to a dynamic that requires an adult lens to view it.

Your so limit Russia Russia Russia or Hitler Hitler Hitler... i'm asking you if you had any pragmatic and grown up vision or sense of rational thought, by your way of thinking why didn't America push back the red Army from deep grip in Europe? According to your goofy idealism they should had done it.. since it a regime quite worse than today's Russia..

If you lived in Truman's time you would complain how it took a knee to appease the red army and refuse to fight and liberate the eastern europeans who were under the regime of Stalin... of course wouldn't matter the cost of it.. because reasons.

You are incapable of seeing the big picture and seeing what it's the pragmatic solution in this or that problem. Nothing new since you're a libtard.

 

[San Marino]

Great video.
Explains western influence into Russia's invasion of Ukraine. In particular, how the US and the British played a key role in keeping the conflict going after 2022. Again, Ukraine has been a pawn between the US and Russia.

Three Years After Invading Ukraine, Putin Seems To Be On The Brink Of Victory. How Did We Get Here?​

MSN

 

[Osculater]

Former KGB officer claims Donald Trump was recruited by Russian KGB as an operative and was given the codename “Krasnov.".

MSN

"
A former Soviet intelligence officer has claimed Donald Trump was recruited by the KGB in 1987 and given the codename “Krasnov.”

The bombshell allegation was made by Alnur Mussayev, a former Kazakh intelligence chief, in a Facebook post.

The 71-year-old, who previously headed Kazakhstan’s National Security Committee, said he had served in the 6th Directorate of the KGB in Moscow, which was responsible for counter-intelligence support within the economy."

Trump the Beaut.....

 

[b-hop]

The deterrence is all the countries that have come to UKR's aid and supply them arms and aid. Russia did not expect this to last 3 years and destroy their country in many ways for decades to come because of the SMO. When they took crimea everyone basically took a knee to Putler, this time around it was a bit different and I think Putler if he could go back would not have invaded if he knew what he knows now.

That didn't stop from attacking Ukraine,Russia laugh to the sanctions and to that aid.
Biden is super weak and he was at fault of starting the war.. now find me solutions to take them out of the donbass region with all the help in the world.

 

[ChosenOne]

Your so limit Russia Russia Russia or Hitler Hitler Hitler... i'm asking you if you had any pragmatic and grown up vision or sense of rational thought, by your way of thinking why didn't America push back the red Army from deep grip in Europe? According to your goofy idealism they should had done it.. since it a regime quite worse than today's Russia..

If you lived in Truman's time you would complain how it took a knee to appease the red army and refuse to fight and liberate the eastern europeans who were under the regime of Stalin... of course wouldn't matter the cost of it.. because reasons.

You are incapable of seeing the big picture and seeing what it's the pragmatic solution in this or that problem. Nothing new since you're a libtard.

I have explained this but since you are stupid you cannot follow it.

- The US was very isolationist and it took Japan attacking the US to drag them in to the war
- what that DID NOT mean was appeasing Hitler by allowing his march across Europe was ok or strategically good
- what that ALSO did not mean was appeasing the USSR and their march was ok or strategically good
- both were bad and the US only engaging Hitler, once forced to by Japan IN NO WAY diminished with your child like BUT RUSSIA, arguments

Because the US and many other countries tended to be more isolationist and only react to direct threats has proven via history in BOTH Hitler and the USSR example to have been a wrong strategy and failure as it only resulted in a much bigger problem to be dealt with later.

So once again, your child like argument attempts to try and justify a return to a more appeasement based position is simply not supported by history.

 

[ChosenOne]

Great video. Explains western influence into Russia's invasion of Ukraine. In particular, how the US and the UK played a key role in keeping the conflict going after 2022. Again, Ukraine has been a pawn between the US and Russia.

Three Years After Invading Ukraine, Putin Seems To Be On The Brink Of Victory. How Did We Get Here?​

MSN

The tragedy of John Mearsheimer​

How the American realist became the world’s most hated thinker.

...Lawrence Freedman, the New Statesman contributor and a world authority on theories of war, has known Mearsheimer since the 1980s, but he spoke for many of his detractors when he described his position on Ukraine as “unforgivable”.

“John simply can’t explain Russian behaviour because he is too focused on the international system and ignores the domestic forces at play. He suggests that Ukraine was about to join Nato, but it wasn’t, and he seems to find it reasonable to deny Ukraine the right to chart its own course. He also can’t detect Russia’s colonial attitudes towards Ukraine. I would consider myself a realist, but it is a realism based on assessing the situation as you find it rather than how you wish it to be based on some dogmatic theory.”...

 

[b-hop]

I have explained this but since you are stupid you cannot follow it.

- The US was very isolationist and it took Japan attacking the US to drag them in to the war
- what that DID NOT mean was appeasing Hitler by allowing his march across Europe was ok or strategically good
- what that ALSO did not mean was appeasing the USSR and their march was ok or strategically good
- both were bad and the US only engaging Hitler, once forced to by Japan IN NO WAY diminished with your child like BUT RUSSIA, arguments

Because the US and many other countries tended to be more isolationist and only react to direct threats has proven via history in BOTH Hitler and the USSR example to have been a wrong strategy and failure as it only resulted in a much bigger problem to be dealt with later.

So once again, your child like argument attempts to try and justify a return to a more appeasement based position is simply not supported by history.

Jesus Christ you can't read or you don't know when the WW2 finished or you mix the timelines or you dumb as hell. Still Hitler and Japan.

I talking why after the WW2 after 1946 just for you to have a grasp about dates since you don't know anything about history..

why didn't the US according to your goofy and lowbar logic didn't push the red army of the occupied eastern front? Like Churchill wanted to do i might add? Why didn't they save all those countries from a mass genocide and dictator? Before they've having the atomic bomb another big point too..

According to your stupidity Truman and Eisenhower were soviet appesears for letting the soviets occuping all that front.

 

[ChosenOne]

Jesus Christ you can't read or you don't know when the WW2 finished or you mix the timelines or you dumb as hell. Still Hitler and Japan.

I talking why after the WW2 after 1946 just for you to have a grasp about dates since you don't know anything about history..

why didn't the US according to your goofy and lowbar logic didn't push the red army of the occupied eastern front? Like Churchill wanted to do i might add? Why didn't they save all those countries from a mass genocide and dictator? Before they've having the atomic bomb another big point too..

According to your stupidity Truman and Eisenhower were soviet appesears for letting the soviets occuping all that front.

yes the points i am making are not timeline specific but you are so stupid you cannot follow.

I am point out:

- the US actions were based on its being more isolationist and having to be forced in to battle
- they held a view WRONGLY that appeasement was fine and to leave Hitler and the USSR to their aggression if not directed at the US directly
- it is only through the view of history they NOW understand appeasement never worked and made things worse in BOTH situations

So to answer your question AGAIN in 1946, the US did not push the red army as the red army was not threatening the US directly as Japan and then Germany DiRECTLY did.

 

[b-hop]

yes the points i am making are not timeline specific but you are so stupid you cannot follow.

I am point out:

- the US actions were based on its being more isolationist and having to be forced in to battle
- they held a view WRONGLY that appeasement was fine and to leave Hitler and the USSR to their aggression if not directed at the US directly
- it is only through the view of history they NOW understand appeasement never worked and made things worse in BOTH situations

So to answer your question AGAIN in 1946, the US did not push the red army as the red army was not threatening the US directly as Japan and then Germany DiRECTLY did.

You want to think the cost of pushing the red army wouldn't matter neither in man power and lives, or with money for the sake of doing the "right thing", that's fine by me, no argument is going to take you down of you higher moral pedestal.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Great video. Explains western influence into Russia's invasion of Ukraine. In particular, how the US and the UK played a key role in keeping the conflict going after 2022. Again, Ukraine has been a pawn between the US and Russia.

Three Years After Invading Ukraine, Putin Seems To Be On The Brink Of Victory. How Did We Get Here?​

MSN

Brink of victory? And only took 3 years for all these major gains and at what cost?

 

[Strychnine]

FPV drones took out a Russian helicopter.



Would be Russian saboteurs caught in the act.

 

[San Marino]

Wrong it was a doctrine to prevent any hostile takeovers in other countries,your going to spin a lot of things bc you don’t actually have the intelligence to understand why things get implemented in the first place …the doctrine is literally to stop any unprovoked wars …agin you are t really that smart that’s why you voted for Trump and now have to justify it with these idiotic posts .

Was? Is. I'm not spinning shit. The usual 'spinning' excuse you guys seem to use anytime you read something you don't agree with. Yeah, it is getting really old. No, the doctrine does not even mention hostile takeovers. It shows how dumb you are. It has to do with European influence in the Americas. The United States background. The US has seen itself as the ruler of the Americas since 1945. I didn't vote for Trump. Do yourself a favor and read up on the Monroe Doctrine and the political history of Ukraine. Also, read up on NATO influence in Eastern Europe since 1945.

 

[San Marino]

Brink of victory? And only took 3 years for all these major gains and at what cost?

3 years of going through both European and American military stockpile. Maybe 3 weeks if it was just the regular Ukrainian stockpile of 2022.

 

[San Marino]

No I just try and avoid politics bc I actually know about it.

You can't even spell correctly.
You are just as smart as Joe Biden and know as much politics as Kamala Harris.

 

[San Marino]

The tragedy of John Mearsheimer​

How the American realist became the world’s most hated thinker.

...Lawrence Freedman, the New Statesman contributor and a world authority on theories of war, has known Mearsheimer since the 1980s, but he spoke for many of his detractors when he described his position on Ukraine as “unforgivable”.

“John simply can’t explain Russian behaviour because he is too focused on the international system and ignores the domestic forces at play. He suggests that Ukraine was about to join Nato, but it wasn’t, and he seems to find it reasonable to deny Ukraine the right to chart its own course. He also can’t detect Russia’s colonial attitudes towards Ukraine. I would consider myself a realist, but it is a realism based on assessing the situation as you find it rather than how you wish it to be based on some dogmatic theory.”...

Well, that would be a typical response from the Liberal Left.
If you don't preach what we believe in, your views are wrong, and you are stupid.
Article by Gavin Jacobson.
Did you spend much time Googling that article?

 

[San Marino]

it is stupid and circular.
It is not my opinion of my intelligence that matters. It is my view of your stupidity and how you spam this circular stupid logic.

Circular.
Venn diagrams. Like Kamala Harris. ...and as smart as Harris.
It is also my view of your stupidity and how you spin things out of context. A linear stupid logic.