International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[Strychnine]

This video is from in the Summer of 2024.

Although I can't read Cyrillic/Russian, I knew this was about the Ukrainian soldiers assaulting the Russian positions.

How?

Because the Commanding Officers actually gave a %hit about the troops.

 

[ChosenOne]

They would invade if it came to that, you live in a bubble of dream and flowers, its okay let the grown ups being responsable for the world affairs.

America would NOT invade if they simply talked to Russia or China and were refused any alliance.

That you think so shows your ignorance..

 

[Cid]

So your game plan is to risk world war 3 for every nation that Russia rightly or not rightly so considers her vital space?

It's like saying since other american state who fears aregime change coming from us, they can ask Russia support, and that gives right to Russia to risk world war 3 for that or that country "defense".

Russia doesn't have the money or the sphere of influence to start WW3.

Nobody risking their neck for Russia that doesn't already have a boot thoroughly imprinted on their neck to begin with. I.e Iran and NK

The big guy in the corner trying to sure up his power and sphere of influence (china) one day maybe.


It's like trying to recruit ten HW MMA fighters of heavyweights outside of the UFC to fight the UFC HW division top 10 to the death and picking former UFC champion Tim Sylvia to be the captain of your team because Ngannou thinks it's stupid.

Sorry mate ain't nobody rallying around the Tim Sylvia of global geopolitics.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

So your game plan is to risk world war 3 for every nation that Russia rightly or not rightly so considers her vital space?

It's like saying since other american state who fears aregime change coming from us, they can ask Russia support, and that gives right to Russia to risk world war 3 for that or that country "defense".

Deterrence is what can avoid ww3 not kissing Putins ass.

 

[San Marino]

Trump's Job Approval Rating at 45%.

Here we have Trump at 47%, Biden at 36%.

Trump’s second term: Early ratings and expectations

Americans are deeply divided over Trump’s plans and how he is handling his job as president in the early weeks of his return to office.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[San Marino]

So because 'the US invaded Iraq under false pretenses and even though Russia has invaded neighbors for reasons that did not involve Nato, your argument remains that other neighboring countries to Russia still must not seek alliances to protect themselves?

Exactly.
Not if it involves a NATO alliance which Russia views as a threat.
Like the US viewing Soviet missiles in Cuba as a threat.
The same can be said of China and how it views an external threat.
Unfortunately, 'Might makes Right" as viewed by the US, Russia, and China.

 

[Strychnine]

 

[San Marino]

You say that like 30% is not consequential and as if Putin and Russia were not planning to take all of Ukraine if they could have.

Georgia, Moldova, Chechnya and Ukraine all are proof that simply being a neighbor to Russia puts you at threat if you seek any independent path.

So, why would Russia wait till 2022 to invade Ukraine when Ukraine got its independence in 1991?

 

[Cid]

 

[San Marino]

Your logic is the equivalent of me putting a weapon in front of you while i point a gun at you and say 'pick it up or i will shoot you'. You then pick it up and i shoot while saying 'he picked up a weapon so i had to shoot him'.

Not a good analogy.
Ukraine never had a 'gun' pointed at it from Russia.
Russia asked Ukraine time and again to not join NATO since 1991 or it would view the action as a threat to Russia.
Ukraine knowing this fact decided to join NATO anyway. Ukraine created the very thing they were trying to avoid.

 

[San Marino]

Trump's hate of Zelensky goes back to his first impeachment.

Trump impeachment: The short, medium and long story

The president has been cleared at his impeachment trial. Here's the story in 100, 300 and 800 words.

www.bbc.com

Also:

Russia 'amassing troops and gearing up for major new offensive'​

MSN

 

[ChosenOne]

Exactly.
Not if it involves a NATO alliance which Russia views as a threat.
Like the US viewing Soviet missiles in Cuba as a threat.
The same can be said of China and how it views an external threat.
Unfortunately, 'Might makes Right" as viewed by the US, Russia, and China.

ya well you are stupid as you keep going back to circular arguments.

Finland and Sweden should watch Russia attack other neighbors, and not solely because they wanted to join Nato, and if Finland and Sweden decide they need to join Nato to protect themselves from Russian aggression then that then justifies Russia attacking them by your circular logic.

If they do not join and Russia just attacks them as they did other neighbors, oh well. Russia sometimes does that.

Sorry but your stupid circular logic does not fly. And it is stupid.

And STOP with your BS false comparisons. Ukraine simply TALKING to Nato and being REJECTED is NOT like "Soviet missiles in cuba (being) a threat".

Talk and rejection =/= missiles.

 

[San Marino]

China doesn't supply drones.

Russia has secret war drones project in China, intel sources say​

https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-has-secret-war-drones-project-china-intel-sources-say-2024-09-25/

 

[Rational Poster]

Here we have Trump at 47%, Biden at 36%.

Trump’s second term: Early ratings and expectations

Americans are deeply divided over Trump’s plans and how he is handling his job as president in the early weeks of his return to office.

www.pewresearch.org

Those are Pew Polls from two weeks ago. The Gallup polls are from 2 days ago.

Biden maintained an approval rating above 55% for his first 100 days. Trump is already trending lower than his first term, and much lower than Zelensky.

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Joe Biden

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Joe Biden is handling his job as president?

news.gallup.com

Biden's lowest approval was 36%, July 2024 when he dropped out of the election. Trump's lowest approval rating was 34% Jan 2021, when he left office.

You're being dishonest and/or are failing to understand the context. Or both.

 

[ChosenOne]

So, why would Russia wait till 2022 to invade Ukraine when Ukraine got its independence in 1991?

Because Putin was content having his puppet oligarchs in place in Ukraine prior.

it was only when Zelenski won, kicked Putins Oligarchs out and the Ukrainian economy started to actually enter a hockey stick like growth phase with all sorts of foreign investment flowing into developments in Odessa and a few other major areas.

Ukraine was becoming the vacation spot for Russians. The place they wished Russia could be and why was Ukraine NOW like that. What had changed from a few years prior. that graph above tells all as the beginning of the hockey stick growth was the removal of Putin and the more Russian citizens vacationed in Ukraine and began to feel jealous of the people while connecting the dots that 'getting rid Putin and his Oligarchs was key', the more of a threat that was to Putin.

Ukraine was getting financially stronger rapidly so Putin had to act or lose any chance to do so.

 

[San Marino]

ya well you are stupid as you back to circular.

Finland and Sweden should watch Russia attack other neighbors, and not solely because they wanted to join Nato, and if Finland and Sweden decide they need to join Nato to protect themselves from Russian aggression then that then justifies Russia attacking them.

If they do not join and Russia just attacks them as they did other neighbors, oh well. Russia sometimes does that.

Sorry but your stupid circular logic does not fly. And it is stupid.

And STOP with your BS false comparisons. Ukraine simply TALKING to Nato and being REJECTED is NOT like "Soviet missiles in cuba (being) a threat".

Talk and rejection =/= missiles.

Oh, got your feelings hurt. 'Soy boy' alert!
No mate, you are the stupid one. I can say what I want just like you, and I can have a different opinion just like you.
The world must be a difficult place for you when others don't agree with you. Like when I was 5.
Yeah, and the insults don't really help your cause, it only makes you look stupid.

 

[ChosenOne]

Oh, got your feelings hurt. 'Soy boy' alert!
No mate, you are the stupid one. I can say what I want just like you, and I can have a different opinion just like you.
The world must be a difficult place for you when others don't agree with you. Like when I was 5.
Yeah, and the insults don't really help your cause, it only makes you look stupid.

Project much. You are the one now lashing out like your feelings are hurt.,

No where do i say you cannot have an opinion, or that you cannot say what you want.

But i also can say what i want.

And what you are saying is both stupid and circular and makes no sense. You have every right to hold stupid opinions and to share them. Just do not cry when they are called out for what they are.

 

[San Marino]

For smart people it is like saying 'countries around Russia have a right to defend themselves and seek alliances as Russia shows consistently that they can and will invade countries in their sphere they see as weak and isolated.

Smart people? Are you in that category?
Ukraine has been independent since 1991. Why would Russia choose to invade it in 2022?

 

[Rational Poster]

Smart people? Are you in that category?
Ukraine has been independent since 1991. Why would Russia choose to invade it in 2022?

Their previous invasion in 2014 and their separatist movements they tried to fund failed. By 2022, Ukraine had basically mopped up all resistance and there had been almost no hostilities between the Ukrainian military and separatists in the DPR and LPR.

Prior to that they had de facto control through puppet leadership similar to the Lukashenko government.

 

[San Marino]

Oh, i know, it is because you know you have no point if you stick to what actually happened.

Why was The Warsaw Pact dissolved in 1991, and NATO remained intact?