International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[SandisLL]

Stuff for Ukr looks very bad. Looks that they were forced to start use strategic reserves in form for example heavy artillery brigade from strategic reserves and this not at all looks good for Ukraine.
From other point Ukr had dropped approx 50 gliding bombs during last 24 hours. These were supplied from Europe. Bad and dumb according to yanks and Russia.

 

[SandisLL]

France had supplied equipment and other associated items scheduled for delivery in February 2025 th and will supply already scheduled for March 2025 th supplies for Ukraine regardless what kind of decisions will have EU or U.S.
Bombs will be delivered as had been scheduled.

 

[b-hop]

France had supplied equipment and other associated items scheduled for delivery in February 2025 th and will supply already scheduled for March 2025 th supplies for Ukraine regardless what kind of decisions will have EU or U.S.
Bombs will be delivered as had been scheduled.

Very good..for like one day of war.

 

[SandisLL]

Very good..for like one day of war.

I have no clue about number of stuff they had supplied and will supply.
For arty ammo ofc not much.

For SAM missiles it depends in reality how much they will supply. Cretins told that these are very expensive.
Bombs they does have a lot...even old and new. Dunno what stuff they will do with them.

 

[b-hop]

I have no clue about number of stuff they had supplied and will supply.
For arty ammo ofc not much.

For SAM missiles it depends in reality how much they will supply. Cretins told that these are very expensive.
Bombs they does have a lot...even old and new. Dunno what stuff they will do with them.

Yes i don't have any idea either... last time i heard Europe combined had ammunitions for two days of war in the pace the russians are fighting.

Not sure if they started to produce more,,doubt it .. or those are different applications.

 

[SandisLL]

Yes i don't have any idea either... last time i heard Europe combined had ammunitions for two days of war in the pace the russians are fighting.

Not sure if they started to produce more,,doubt it .. or those are different applications.

France had almost trippled ammo production since 2022 th and they does have a lot of explosives and so on.
Problems are cos they does needs long term contracts, for example foe 155 mm shells production like it is 10-15-20 years contracts...

SAMP-T battery isn't in general worse than Patriot, even does have vertical launch and this is big advantage.
It is also more mobile and cheaper than Patriot battery.
High fire rate, good automatization level, low number of perssonel needed etc.

I have no clue how much they will ask for 1 missile and what kind of model missiles they will supply.
Recently was approx 430 000 EUR for short range stuff and approx 2 000 000 USD for long range version ...1 missile...

1 launcher does have 8 missiles ....these might be fired in 5 seconds....

Bombs and mines they does have a lot from cold war era too.... some % still might be refubrished and used.

 

[Rational Poster]

Yes i don't have any idea either... last time i heard Europe combined had ammunitions for two days of war in the pace the russians are fighting.

Not sure if they started to produce more,,doubt it .. or those are different applications.

Russia has long since been unable to fight at that early pace, even with receiving arms and men from NK. They've suffered tremendous equipment and ammunition attrition over the years, their early artillery advantage of 5 to 1 or great has diminished to barely 2 to 1.

The longer the war goes on, the slower the pace.

 

[Strychnine]

 

[curryjunkie]

This dude @San Marino basically said the war is warranted bc Ukraine had ongoing talks to get into NATO which was never going to happen in Putins lifetime ,



F”ing dummy . Lol

you must be new here, hes been spouting drivel in this thread for about 3 years now..

 

[SandisLL]

Yes i don't have any idea either... last time i heard Europe combined had ammunitions for two days of war in the pace the russians are fighting.

Not sure if they started to produce more,,doubt it .. or those are different applications.

It depends what kind of ammo.
For example they had relatively huge stockpiles during Cold War for 105 mm rifled long barrel high pressure guns.
Wartime stockpiles should had been as bare minimum 1500 for 1 gun. 1/3 as minimum so called anti infantry etc rounds.
Therefore bad stuff that they didn't had delivered more these old Leopard 1 tanks or M60A3.
They are really usable as field guns and if we know how we might reach elevation angle in reap life for barrell. There also no reason to laugh about T 55 here in such role.

 

[CorninginChristianburg]

I guess my frustration is. None of this is new from Trump. We know what he likes to do. He will take some bold controversial stance, get people's feathers rattled, then rescind it later and claim victory pointing at some gesture which realistically falls woefully short of actual victory. So, I'm not flustered by any of the recent news.

But what Trump doesn't understand, which really bothers me, is that the reason for the status quo is not lack of good will, or lack of cunning negotiating, which is not what he is doing, but because of real-life logistical, political, and economic realities. It's pretty straightforward what he's trying to pull off. Pretend to be against Ukraine so that EU nations panic, "oh no, we need to do something", and then do something that will materially affect the outcome of the war. Then come back a week later and say "look at what I did, I used my genius negotiating to convince Europe to get more involved in the war."

The issue is that, the actual reasons for Europe's reticence to commit to broader efforts are not just because they haven't been haggled by such a professional haggler as Trump. Take a European army deployment for example. This would cost substantial manpower, substantial material, tremendous economic resources, and in many European countries the proposition is still deeply unpopular. There are also industrial capacity issues, supply chain issues, none of which can be solved just by Trump's self-perceived master haggling. The past few days some talking heads in Europe have been theorizing about how Europe can be more involved in a Ukrainian defense. But I promise you that this theorizing is as far as it will go. A European army, is not going to happen with or without Trump's pointless haggling.

So here's exactly what's going to happen in the next few weeks. Europe will release a strongly worded statement saying "we fully condemn the Russian invasion as an act of AGGRESSION and pledge our support for Ukraine in some nebulous and undefined ways." And Trump in turn will point to that strongly worded statement and say "SEE! If I did not use such an unconventional negotiating strategy then the EU would never have released this strongly worded statement." But no actual help for Ukraine is in the offing.

 

[SandisLL]

I guess my frustration is. None of this is new from Trump. We know what he likes to do. He will take some bold controversial stance, get people's feathers rattled, then rescind it later and claim victory pointing at some gesture which realistically falls woefully short of actual victory. So, I'm not flustered by any of the recent news.

But what Trump doesn't understand, which really bothers me, is that the reason for the status quo is not lack of good will, or lack of cunning negotiating, which is not what he is doing, but because of real-life logistical, political, and economic realities. It's pretty straightforward what he's trying to pull off. Pretend to be against Ukraine so that EU nations panic, "oh no, we need to do something", and then do something that will materially affect the outcome of the war. Then come back a week later and say "look at what I did, I used my genius negotiating to convince Europe to get more involved in the war."

The issue is that, the actual reasons for Europe's reticence to commit to broader efforts are not just because they haven't been haggled by such a professional haggler as Trump. Take a European army deployment for example. This would cost substantial manpower, substantial material, tremendous economic resources, and in many European countries the proposition is still deeply unpopular. There are also industrial capacity issues, supply chain issues, none of which can be solved just by Trump's self-perceived master haggling. The past few days some talking heads in Europe have been theorizing about how Europe can be more involved in a Ukrainian defense. But I promise you that this theorizing is as far as it will go. A European army, is not going to happen with or without Trump's pointless haggling.

So here's exactly what's going to happen in the next few weeks. Europe will release a strongly worded statement saying "we fully condemn the Russian invasion as an act of AGGRESSION and pledge our support for Ukraine in some nebulous and undefined ways." And Trump in turn will point to that strongly worded statement and say "SEE! If I did not use such an unconventional negotiating strategy then the EU would never have released this strongly worded statement." But no actual help for Ukraine is in the offing.

What stuff today will tell Germany for example is just empty talk.
They can't approve budget 2025 th and therefore does have elections this month.
How will look their budget and what they will decide to do with Ukr. We will see after some month in best case.

Netherlands had woked up, Belgium is...they are...usable, while slow as half died snail. Etc.

 

[Osculater]

I wonder if @SandisLL and @San Marino are the same person but with a Dissociative identity disorder

 

[San Marino]

I sometimes wonder what the world must look like through your eyes. I imagine it's something like beer goggles, but for babbling fools. This isn't how Kennedy responded to anything, and if it was, you'd be disagreeing with yourself because Ukraine wasn't getting into NATO and that is just the most retarded, tired old ass of an excuse. You keep parroting it over and over in this thread and are just pathologically incapable of cleaning the shit out of your own underwear.

Oh, you are just butthurt that Trump came down hard on Zelensky. Damn! Trump did roast Zelensky.
So, Kennedy was not prepared to start a war over Cuban missiles? Are you claiming the history books are wrong? What exactly was the Cuban missile crises over? Do you not teach history? Why wasn't Cuba allowed to do what it wanted to do like Ukraine wants to? You are saying Ukraine did not want to be part of NATO? Are we re-writing history again? Damn, Limbo, don't be that stupid. You of all people know that Ukraine was gunning for NATO membership like the Baltic States had already done: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. Do you just put your hands over your ears (eyes) and keep saying: La, La, La, La, La?

 

[San Marino]

I wonder if @SandisLL and @San Marino are the same person but with a Dissociative identity disorder

Nope.

 

[Osculater]

Nope.

 

[San Marino]

China isn't supplying us with tens of thousands of FPV drones to target civilian infrastructure. Lmao

No, but we are still heavily reliant on China for American goods.
Going back to your original point. China and Iran have a relationship. So, if China supports a terrorist state, why is the US buying goods from China? You seem to miss the point of some of these arguments.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Oh, you are just butthurt that Trump came down hard on Zelensky. Damn! Trump did roast Zelensky.
So, Kennedy was not prepared to start a war over Cuban missiles? Are you claiming the history books are wrong? What exactly was the Cuban missile crises over? Do you not teach history? Why wasn't Cuba allowed to do what it wanted to do like Ukraine wants to? You are saying Ukraine did not want to be part of NATO? Are we re-writing history again? Damn, Limbo, don't be that stupid. You of all people know that Ukraine was gunning for NATO membership like the Baltic States had already done: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. Do you just put your hands over your ears (eyes) and keep saying: La, La, La, La, La?

Use a pen, Sideshow Bob lmao

 

[b-hop]

Oh, you are just butthurt that Trump came down hard on Zelensky. Damn! Trump did roast Zelensky.
So, Kennedy was not prepared to start a war over Cuban missiles? Are you claiming the history books are wrong? What exactly was the Cuban missile crises over? Do you not teach history? Why wasn't Cuba allowed to do what it wanted to do like Ukraine wants to? You are saying Ukraine did not want to be part of NATO? Are we re-writing history again? Damn, Limbo, don't be that stupid. You of all people know that Ukraine was gunning for NATO membership like the Baltic States had already done: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. Do you just put your hands over your ears (eyes) and keep saying: La, La, La, La, La?

This people live in dreamland, where the international law is respect equally and there isn't any disputes or rivalries.
Since atleast the greek times, there's a notion of buffer zone and sphere of influence, we can think about Rome vs Carthage and how the iberian penisula was a sorth of Ukraine.

We can cry all we want but this is the reality of big powers and it's going to be, the US is not a great exemple of respecting auto-determination if it concerns security, funny enough China although it's a ditactorship, seems to be the most tolerant of the superpowers when it comes to their backyard.

 

[Rational Poster]

No, but we are still heavily reliant on China for American goods.
Going back to your original point. China and Iran have a relationship. So, if China supports a terrorist state, why is the US buying goods from China? You seem to miss the point of some of these arguments.

You know there's a difference between ordinary trade and military support, right?