International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[San Marino]

Any country is a threat to Russia that doesn’t abide by the country’s way of life that’s common sense .

Ah, have you heard of BRICS?
An intergovernmental organization now consisting of ten countries: Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa (original). Now added: Egypt, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Iran and the United Arab Emirates. These countries are not a threat to Russia.

The fact you said it was o.k to invade Ukraine in 2022 shows your understanding how conflict is handled.

No, it was not me who said it, it was Joe Biden.

Your way to dumb to converse with your posts tells me that and anyone who has replied to you put you in your place so I’m not even needed here . Lol

 

[San Marino]

You know there's a difference between ordinary trade and military support, right?

Yes, but again, what does this have to do with Iran?
Originally, someone said that Russia was the number one country sponsoring terrorism in the world. That statement is incorrect.

 

[San Marino]

That’s because those are actions of a hostile force or takeover you idiot that’s why the U.S put those policies in place with the Monroe Doctrine.

Have you read The Monroe Doctrine? It has nothing to do with a hostile force in the Americas.

Trumps been in office a month and has a,ready made grounds as the worst president we’ve ever had let’s see what happens a year from now if he’s still around ? Lol

No, Joe Biden has been voted the worst president in US history. Most Americans love Donald Trump. Sorry you and others are part of the liberal minority.

 

[Rational Poster]

Yes, but again, what does this have to do with Iran?
Originally, someone said that Russia was the number one country sponsoring terrorism in the world. That statement is incorrect.

Weird how all these terrorists keep being found with Russian designed and manufactured arms. Even Iranian weapons are just copies of Russian designs, where do you think they figured that out from?

 

[Rational Poster]

Have you read The Monroe Doctrine? It has nothing to do with a hostile force in the Americas.

No, Joe Biden has been voted the worst president in US history. Most Americans love Donald Trump. Sorry you and others are part of the liberal minority.

Trump's approval rating is the lowest for any President in history at this point of their term and lower than Zelensky's is in Ukraine.

 

[Badr Hari]

San Marino after three years of simping Putin is all saliva around the mouth after he saw Trump has the same cuck stance on Rus. Don't celebrate too soon spineless marino, you might get dissapointed when you can't win even with trump on the squad

 

[San Marino]

Your argument has become circular. Russia invades a series of neighbours who are NOT seeking alliances making other neighbors seek alliances. You then say 'those countries seeking alliances justifies Russia invading them'.

Obviously not all Russian invasions have to do with NATO membership. Didn't the US invade Iraq under false pretense?

...due to Putin showing 'if you are not in NATO and are in our sphere we consider you fair game to attack'.

When did Putin show or say that? Where does this western narrative that Russia is going to take over Europe come from? It can barely take over 20% of Ukraine who is being armed by the west. It will be 30% of Ukraine by the time it is all said and done.

Do you now believe Russia has a right to invade them because they sought alliances within the sphere?

Yes, if Russia considers a NATO alliance a threat to Russia.
The same way the US considers a communist (other) threat in the Americas a threat to the United States: Cuba, Panama, Haiti, and Grenada. Iraq being outside the Americas but invaded anyhow for no valid reason.

 

[San Marino]

Trump's approval rating is the lowest for any President in history at this point of their term and lower than Zelensky's is in Ukraine.

Where is your evidence for this statement?

 

[Rational Poster]

Where is your evidence for this statement?

Trump's Job Approval Rating at 45%; Congress' Jumps to 29%

Trump's approval rating is at 45%, with broad support from Republicans. Republicans are also behind an improved job rating for Congress.

news.gallup.com

Trump's Job Approval Rating at 45%; Congress' Jumps to 29%​

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Less than one month into his second term in office, President Donald Trump’s job approval rating is at 45%, similar to his first post-inauguration reading of 47% in January.

Presidential Job Approval Ratings Following the First 100 Days | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

Trump is already trending lower than this first term for his first 100 days.


Here is a recent approval poll of Zelensky as well.

Press releases and reports - Dynamics of trust in President V. Zelenskyi in 2019-2025

www.kiis.com.ua

 

[ChosenOne]

Obviously not all Russian invasions have to do with NATO membership. Didn't the US invade Iraq under false pretense?

So because 'the US invaded Iraq under false pretenses and even though Russia has invaded neighbors for reasons that did not involve Nato, your argument remains that other neighboring countries to Russia still must not seek alliances to protect themselves?

 

[ChosenOne]

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When did Putin show or say that? Where does this western narrative that Russia is going to take over Europe come from? It can barely take over 20% of Ukraine who is being armed by the west. It will be 30% of Ukraine by the time it is all said and done.
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You say that like 30% is not consequential and as if Putin and Russia were not planning to take all of Ukraine if they could have.

Georgia, Moldova, Chechnya and Ukraine all are proof that simply being a neighbor to Russia puts you at threat if you seek any independent path.

 

[ChosenOne]

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Yes, if Russia considers a NATO alliance a threat to Russia.
The same way the US considers a communist (other) threat in the Americas a threat to the United States: Cuba, Panama, Haiti, and Grenada. Iraq being outside the Americas but invaded anyhow for no valid reason.

And again this reason you keep repeating is completely circular in its logic.

Finland and Sweden and other nations have every reason to feel at threat, if they remain a stand alone nation with no formal alliances, with Russia as a neighbor.

You say 'if you seek alliances that is reason for Russia to invade you' while not acknowledging that is Russian actions in the region that force others to seek alliances.

Your logic is the equivalent of me putting a weapon in front of you while i point a gun at you and say 'pick it up or i will shoot you'. You then pick it up and i shoot while saying 'he picked up a weapon so i had to shoot him'.

 

[b-hop]

You say that like 30% is not consequential and as if Putin and Russia were not planning to take all of Ukraine if they could have.

Georgia, Moldova, Chechnya and Ukraine all are proof that simply being a neighbor to Russia puts you at threat if you seek any independent path.

So your game plan is to risk world war 3 for every nation that Russia rightly or not rightly so considers her vital space?

It's like saying since other american state who fears aregime change coming from us, they can ask Russia support, and that gives right to Russia to risk world war 3 for that or that country "defense".

 

[ChosenOne]

So your game plan is to risk world war 3 for every nation that Russia rightly or not rightly so considers her vital space?

It's like saying since other american state who fears aregime change coming from us, they can ask Russia support, and that gives right to Russia to risk world war 3 for that or that country "defense".

It would be like saying that if you were stupid.

For smart people it is like saying 'countries around Russia have a right to defend themselves and seek alliances as Russia shows consistently that they can and will invade countries in their sphere they see as weak and isolated.

 

[b-hop]

It would be like saying that if you were stupid.

For smart people it is like saying 'countries around Russia have a right to defend themselves and seek alliances as Russia shows consistently that they can and will invade countries in their sphere they see as weak and isolated.

And that would be pretty naive, let's think Cuba, Mexico, Jamaica, Haiti whatever country could had russian military presence without any reaction from the US, for the sake of having the right to defense themselves.

 

[ChosenOne]

And that would be pretty naive, let's think Cuba, Mexico, Jamaica, Haiti whatever country could had russian military presence without any reaction from the US, for the sake of having the right to defense themselves.

It would be pretty naive if what you said was accurate and not dumb, but sadly it both not accurate and is dumb.

Cuba, Mexico, Jamaica, Haiti could talk all day long about joining an alliance with China or Russia and the US would not invade.

Notice how you tried to insert "military presense" when Putin and Russia invaded Ukraine for merely ASKING to join Nato and being refused?

Why do you think you feel the need to change what actually happened and instead offer a false equivalency to try and make your point?

Oh, i know, it is because you know you have no point if you stick to what actually happened.

 

[Darkballs]

So your game plan is to risk world war 3 for every nation that Russia rightly or not rightly so considers her vital space?

Only pussies think standing up to Putin equates to starting WW3. We've had three years to watch what he'll do. Which is nothing other than order russians into a meat-grinder and whine about how shitty it's going.

However, we know exactly what will happen when you turn the other cheek. Putin will keep pushing outwards. THAT is much more likely to start a larger war than standing up to his short-ass ever will.

 

[b-hop]

It would be pretty naive if what you said was accurate and not dumb, but sadly it both not accurate and is dumb.

Cuba, Mexico, Jamaica, Haiti could talk all day long about joining an alliance with China or Russia and the US would not invade.

Notice how you tried to insert "military presense" when Putin and Russia invaded Ukraine for merely ASKING to join Nato and being refused?

Why do you think you feel the need to change what actually happened and instead offer a false equivalency to try and make your point?

Oh, i know, it is because you know you have no point if you stick to what actually happened.

They would invade if it came to that, you live in a bubble of dream and flowers, its okay let the grown ups being responsable for the world affairs.

 

[b-hop]

Only pussies think standing up to Putin equates to starting WW3. We've had three years to watch what he'll do. Which is nothing other than order russians into a meat-grinder and whine about how shitty it's going.

However, we know exactly what will happen when you turn the other cheek. Putin will keep pushing outwards. THAT is much more likely to start a larger war than standing up to his short-ass ever will.

Don't be stupid, never is going to happen a direct attack between those two nations armies, because would mean ww3. That means the US is never going to directly be involved in a war with Russia and vice-versa.

That means no boots on the ground for those countries coming from NATO, anything more it's fairytales.

 

[ChosenOne]

Only pussies think standing up to Putin equates to starting WW3. We've had three years to watch what he'll do. Which is nothing other than order russians into a meat-grinder and whine about how shitty it's going.

However, we know exactly what will happen when you turn the other cheek. Putin will keep pushing outwards. THAT is much more likely to start a larger war than standing up to his short-ass ever will.

it is amusing how the lesson people like @b-hop learned from WW2 and how it escalated was to let the aggressor just take the countries and land they want, because it is not worth starting a War by trying to ensure those countries can prevent that by defending themselves.

They ignore history and would have us repeat the exact same path again.