International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[Strychnine]

 

[San Marino]

And what you are saying is both stupid and circular and makes no sense. You have every right to hold stupid opinions and to share them. Just do not cry when they are called out for what they are.

It is not stupid nor circular and makes perfect sense. Only idiots would view it otherwise. You seem to have a high opinion of your intelligence compared to others in this thread.

 

[Deaths Head]

Have you read The Monroe Doctrine? It has nothing to do with a hostile force in the Americas.

No, Joe Biden has been voted the worst president in US history. Most Americans love Donald Trump. Sorry you and others are part of the liberal minority.

Wrong it was a doctrine to prevent any hostile takeovers in other countries,your going to spin a lot of things bc you don’t actually have the intelligence to understand why things get implemented in the first place …the doctrine is literally to stop any unprovoked wars …agin you are t really that smart that’s why you voted for Trump and now have to justify it with these idiotic posts .

 

[Deaths Head]

Oh, got your feelings hurt. 'Soy boy' alert!
No mate, you are the stupid one. I can say what I want just like you, and I can have a different opinion just like you.
The world must be a difficult place for you when others don't agree with you. Like when I was 5.
Yeah, and the insults don't really help your cause, it only makes you look stupid.

Soy boy alert is probably you even though soy actually builds quality muscle. Of course you don’t know anything about that because if anyone sounds weak it’s you on here .

 

[Deaths Head]

you must be new here, hes been spouting drivel in this thread for about 3 years now..

No I just try and avoid politics bc I actually know about it and I lose brain cells talking to dumb people I just entertain myself from time to time and toy with the less fortunate .

 

[ChosenOne]

It is not stupid nor circular and makes perfect sense. Only idiots would view it otherwise. You seem to have a high opinion of your intelligence compared to others in this thread.

it is stupid and circular.

You acknowledge Russia has invaded neighboring countries for reasons that were not just 'talked about joining Nato'.

So you have set up a circular situation where countries who see what Russia does to countries who they consider weak and without alliances cannot reach and discuss alliances as that then justifies Russia attacking them. the same Russia who they have already seen has attacked neighbors who were weak and had no alliances.

It is not my opinion of my intelligence that matters. It is my view of your stupidity and how you spam this circular stupid logic.

 

[Darkballs]

Don't be stupid, never is going to happen a direct attack between those two nations armies, because would mean ww3. That means the US is never going to directly be involved in a war with Russia and vice-versa.

That means no boots on the ground for those countries coming from NATO, anything more it's fairytales.

Nonsense.

Putin has, for two decades now, continued to push the boundaries of russia and gobble up neighboring states. Allowing him to push further towards NATO allies only increases the chance of a direct conflict. And for any coward pushing appeasement, you need to explain how after Putin lied about invading Georgia, and lied about invading Belarus, and lied about invading Crimea, and lied about invading Ukraine, should now be trusted to respect any agreement. I've never seen any of you even try.

But there is one thing that could guarantee peace and a complete step back from any brink. And that would be Putin fucking right back to his own internationally recognized boundaries.

 

[SandisLL]

This people live in dreamland, where the international law is respect equally and there isn't any disputes or rivalries.
Since atleast the greek times, there's a notion of buffer zone and sphere of influence, we can think about Rome vs Carthage and how the iberian penisula was a sorth of Ukraine.

We can cry all we want but this is the reality of big powers and it's going to be, the US is not a great exemple of respecting auto-determination if it concerns security, funny enough China although it's a ditactorship, seems to be the most tolerant of the superpowers when it comes to their backyard.

Beautiful appeasement for Russia in this thread from you.

Excepted texts etc.

Ofc maybe according to your logic europe for example should purchase weapons from China, because not only China is large, their weapons are cheap and they might deliver quickly.
Then, if Putin will offer discounts for crude oil and natural gas, in exchange sanction U.S. Why not? Russia is large, might offer cheap crude oil and fertilizers with discounts. China is large market, look how huge country, XI is Beautiful and China does have nukes....large population to trade with...


Don't think that yanks are so powerful and not replaceable as trade partners.
Sit in isolation and enjoy.

 

[irish_thug]

Nope.

Sounds like something someone with dissociative identity disorder would say.

 

[SandisLL]

From one point pump had told that huelensky is dictator, so this means his administration too.

However to sign deals about resources immediately huelensky and his administration appears enough legit and good....If they will sign everything of course.

Looks that maybe game plan is to gave part of Ukr to Russia and to keep part as buffer and definitely living in debts and poverty for generations.
Nothing surprising. All as had been expected.
Elite ofc will have good lifestyle as always. Plebs will taste and pay.

However pump not likely get any sense that Kremlin isn't casual real estate business in York.

Putin will get some areas, deMilitarized Ukraine, Pump will be happy.
U.S reputation as weapons seller worldwide will be gone...ofc also in other fields...

When Putin will get opportunity in Grey zone maybe sooner or later will be elected someone like Lukashenko or Kim.
Then he might tell U.S to piss off from Grey zone and STFU because sanctions doesn't work. More sanctions = better.
Interesting how mining business will work if Russia will get invited by pro Kremlin oriented Grey zone rulers for friendly exercises and install some nukes in Grey zone? Cry? Ofc.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Trump's hate of Zelensky goes back to his first impeachment.

Trump impeachment: The short, medium and long story

The president has been cleared at his impeachment trial. Here's the story in 100, 300 and 800 words.

www.bbc.com

Also:

Russia 'amassing troops and gearing up for major new offensive'​

MSN

Yes, the satellite images show the donkeys being brought to the front behind the crutch brigades.

 

[SandisLL]

Interestingly why pump does thinks that if zelonka will be gone then some long term treaties might get signed faster?

Okey, Ukr will have casual pre election propaganda campaign ...then ofc politicians will promise almost everything. As usually.

Then these who will get elected will have " discussions " how to form coalition, after this who will get what kind of posts in cabinet of ministers.

Then ofc discussions about papers etc.

Okey, if they will elect casual populists, they will attempt to milk everyone....U.S, european countries, Russia too. Yes sir, your opinion is correct, please, we need grants ($) and loans ...more= Better. Yes sir....more

 

[ChosenOne]

Nonsense.

Putin has, for two decades now, continued to push the boundaries of russia and gobble up neighboring states. Allowing him to push further towards NATO allies only increases the chance of a direct conflict. And for any coward pushing appeasement, you need to explain how after Putin lied about invading Georgia, and lied about invading Belarus, and lied about invading Crimea, and lied about invading Ukraine, should now be trusted to respect any agreement. I've never seen any of you even try.

But there is one thing that could guarantee peace and a complete step back from any brink. And that would be Putin fucking right back to his own internationally recognized boundaries.

But @b-hop would say you are not learning the lessons of history where it was appeasement and letting Hitler gobble up the countries nearest to Germany that actually kept the world from going to war with Germany.

He would say you are foolish to instead believe standing firm against them early in an alliance is the way to prevent a future world war.

Of course b-hop studied history in Florida, so there is that.

 

[PEB]

Former KGB officer claims Donald Trump was recruited by Russian KGB as an operative and was given the codename “Krasnov.".

MSN

"
A former Soviet intelligence officer has claimed Donald Trump was recruited by the KGB in 1987 and given the codename “Krasnov.”

The bombshell allegation was made by Alnur Mussayev, a former Kazakh intelligence chief, in a Facebook post.

The 71-year-old, who previously headed Kazakhstan’s National Security Committee, said he had served in the 6th Directorate of the KGB in Moscow, which was responsible for counter-intelligence support within the economy."

 

[b-hop]

Deterrence is what can avoid ww3 not kissing Putins ass.

What deterrence did Biden provoke exactly? Putin invaded Ukraine anyway.

 

[b-hop]

Beautiful appeasement for Russia in this thread from you.

Excepted texts etc.

Ofc maybe according to your logic europe for example should purchase weapons from China, because not only China is large, their weapons are cheap and they might deliver quickly.
Then, if Putin will offer discounts for crude oil and natural gas, in exchange sanction U.S. Why not? Russia is large, might offer cheap crude oil and fertilizers with discounts. China is large market, look how huge country, XI is Beautiful and China does have nukes....large population to trade with...


Don't think that yanks are so powerful and not replaceable as trade partners.
Sit in isolation and enjoy.

And they already are big traders with China , if im not mistaken even bigger than the US, but than again nothing to do with the subject we're speaking about. China doesn't produce particularly arms of greaty quality, they're not a big export even France it's bigger.

Buying a low quality product compared to the US military equipament is stupid, it's also a reason why France is piss off with europeans partners, because despite being so close and in the same union everyone stills prefers to buy american equipament.

The rest Europe being close to Russia is not particularly new, kinda of ironic btw... not many years ago, "Russia was a friendly and crucial partner to Germany" and "France wanted to create an axe between Paris, Berlin and Moscow" and getting away from the atlanticism..

How the rethoric changes, n'est ce pas ?

 

[b-hop]

But @b-hop would say you are not learning the lessons of history where it was appeasement and letting Hitler gobble up the countries nearest to Germany that actually kept the world from going to war with Germany.

He would say you are foolish to instead believe standing firm against them early in an alliance is the way to prevent a future world war.

Of course b-hop studied history in Florida, so there is that.

America only enter the WW2 basically because of Japan, Churchill was eager for so long already for us to enter by that point.. And why after the war, did the US appease the red army and Staline into the gates of Germany? Hmm sabion master?

But than again you learn history from the stories of your head.

 

[ChosenOne]

What deterrence did Biden provoke exactly? Putin invaded Ukraine anyway.

Germany has already taken Poland so there is no point in trying to prevent them taking Denmark, Norway, Belgium, etc. Don't help defend any of them.

The path to peace is just to let them continue and appease them, says b-hop.


Derp

 

[b-hop]

Germany has already taken Poland so there is no point in trying to prevent them taking Denmark, Norway, Belgium, etc. Don't help defend any of them.

The path to peace is just to let them continue and appease them, says b-hop.


Derp

The big evil russian bear already took half of Europe, careful folks it's already in Lisbon threatening our atlantic waters.

 

[ChosenOne]

America only enter the WW2 basically because of Japan,

Yes largely considered a key mistake that allowed Hitlers advance to get to the point where it actually threatened the entire world.

Churchill was eager for so long already for us to enter by that point..

As he should have been as it was largely accepted the US entry, at any point, would have ended that war earlier and not allowed it to pose the threat it did.

And why after the war, did the US appease the red army and Staline into the gates of Germany? Hmm sabion master?

But than again you learn history from the stories of your head.

If you actually knew anything about history and wars you would realize, 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' is a strategy in war that is as old as war, itself is. Very often enemies will partner and make deals so they can take on the immediate threat to both of them.

This is not new. It is very strategic. And can be very smart to do.

If you approach wars with a child like understanding, as you do, you think there is a point in pointing that out.