International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[San Marino]

I'll give you a compliment.
Your ramblings are more coherent than the ramblings of the current US president.

Ukraine is like the Vietnam war for Americans. We were told we were doing well for years and were going to win the war only to lose it. A waste of time, money and lives. Vietnam is flourishing under communism.

3 years, 5 years, 10 years of the Ukraine/Russia conflict. Ukraine loses to Russia in the end. All that money, equipment and lives for nothing. The sooner this conflict ends, the better. Both Putin and Zelensky can end the conflict tomorrow. Ukraine is never going back to what it used to be. Americans and Europeans are not going to fund this conflict for 5 years. Ukraine does not have the manpower to fight for another 5 years.

 

[Hog-train]

Ukraine is like the Vietnam war for Americans. We were told we were doing well for years and were going to win the war only to lose it. A waste of time, money and lives. Vietnam is flourishing under communism.

3 years, 5 years, 10 years of the Ukraine/Russia conflict. Ukraine loses to Russia in the end. All that money, equipment and lives for nothing. The sooner this conflict ends, the better. Both Putin and Zelensky can end the conflict tomorrow. Ukraine is never going back to what it used to be. Americans and Europeans are not going to fund this conflict for 5 years. Ukraine does not have the manpower to fight for another 5 years.

I thought you said Russia would win handily in 6 months.

 

[Strychnine]

More than that...

ISW, 01 May 2025.

• Russian forces recently advanced in Sumy Oblast and near Lyman, Siversk, Pokrovsk, and Kurakhove.

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• Russian Main Effort – Eastern Ukraine (comprised of three subordinate main efforts)​
• Russian Subordinate Main Effort #1 – Push Ukrainian forces back from the international border with Belgorod Oblast and approach to within tube artillery range of Kharkiv City​
• Russian Subordinate Main Effort #2 – Capture the remainder of Luhansk Oblast and push westward into eastern Kharkiv Oblast and encircle northern Donetsk Oblast​
• Russian Subordinate Main Effort #3 – Capture the entirety of Donetsk Oblast, the claimed territory of Russia’s proxies in Donbas, and possibly advance into Dnipropetrovsk Oblast​

 

[San Marino]

I thought you said Russia would win handily in 6 months.

From February 2022?
Less than that if it wasn't for burning through European and American military stockpile.

 

[San Marino]

Yes.
Still thinking Russia is defeating Ukraine. Noy yet a victory.
Every idiot has a right to his opinion, including me.
A comparison with US in Iraq? Please!
Was Iraq being supported by Europe and Russia?

 

[Hog-train]

From February 2022?
Less than that if it wasn't for burning through European and American military stockpile.

So you were wrong then correct?

 

[San Marino]

So you were wrong then correct?

You are just dying to hear me say it aren't you?
I was wrong if you take into account US and European help.
I would be right if you do not take into account US and European help.
Now you can rest your head on your pillow and go to sleep.

 

[San Marino]

Donald Trump wants Kyiv to swap peace for land. Ukrainians say that’s too painful to contemplate​

MSN

...conflict continues.

 

[Strychnine]

All of those NK troops will have their families under armed guard back home to stop desertions.

 

[Osculater]

From February 2022?
Less than that if it wasn't for burning through European and American military stockpile.

 

[Cid]

 

[SandisLL]

Burning " stockpile ".
For example casuals without any interest in tanks are thinking like propagandists ( like samnamrino comrade ) are excepting.

U.S had supplied 31 M1A1SA version tanks : this was approwed to sell for countries like Morocco, Egypt and other countries like these ...in 2000 ies.

Ok, can't sell...then ...
Absolutely nothing super pupper secret or even possible to sell easily somewhere...
They never ever were NATO tanks...and if it is not sold since 2000 ies and accumulating dust...then refresh a bit and send.

Maybe really better if posters like sanmarino had ate these. ..tanks ...like food...

Most likely even better if ukr had get for example M60A3 upgraded in 1990 ies but not 31 , maybe 100. Some months earlier.

Yup, some countries does have upgraded M60A3.... not wunderwaffe ofc but large stockpiles of old ammo for these, ability to install remote firing stations on top of turret etc...

Super depleted stockpiles of tanks accumulating dust cos no one was willimg to purchase them.

 

[SandisLL]

Europe too didn't had sent most modern tanks.

L1A5 : late 1960 ies hull, 1980 ies upgrade for fcs etc ...
Looks that more cos 105 mm ammo used...

L2A4 was new till 1992 th. (!).

L2A6 too isn't newest version. Especially export allowed for non nato countries.

L2A7 is. Next " wunderwaffe " L2A8 orders for sales after some years.

Poland had sent them T 72 , a bit upgraded but bonus was that quickly and Ukr were able quickly to start use these cos does have perssonell with experience to use and repair T 72. plus they had sent 350 main battle tanks. 2 nd largest tanks supplier for Ukr after Russia.


While Russia is using not only T 55 but also T 90M modifictions not allowed for export.
2018/2023 th designs ....

 

[Cid]

 

[SandisLL]

If about 155 mm arty ammo, yes ....U.S had sent some batches with stuff like Excalibur etc but mainly ...these old 1960-1995 th models ...

They does have more new models and manufactured recently not decade plus ago.

 

[Cid]

Big rumors.

 

[Rholk]

Quite a few innovations in this war

 

[PEB]

Those dam Canadians lol.

 

[Hog-train]

You are just dying to hear me say it aren't you?
I was wrong if you take into account US and European help.
I would be right if you do not take into account US and European help.
Now you can rest your head on your pillow and go to sleep.

You said Russia would win when the West was already giving them military aid. The US was giving aid, helping them with logistics and gave them satellite imagery from the beginning.

If about 155 mm arty ammo, yes ....U.S had sent some batches with stuff like Excalibur etc but mainly ...these old 1960-1995 th models ...

They does have more new models and manufactured recently not decade plus ago.

Trump seems to be doing a U-turn on giving military aid now. You think there's any chance Ukraine with the help of the EU and the US regain some land back?

 

[Cid]