International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

[Bojka]

After this concludes, I wonder if Ukraine is going to have a shortage of women and children. Like will they all come back?

They already had bad demographics. Now they are rather destroyed in that way.

 

[Rational Poster]

Fair enough

Weird though that newsweek reported russia having fire rate of 4x to ukrs (20k to 5k) three weeks before that article but who.knows

https://www.newsweek.com/why-ukraine-burning-through-ammo-war-russia-1812294

Not to mention royal united service institute says rus artillery has gotten better doctorine wise

https://rusi.org/explore-our-resear...illery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations

Lets see if artillery ammo thing comes up elsewhere

From what I understand, Russia has a lot of ammo, but it's a lot of bad ammo. Almost all their artillery fires WWI era impact munitions, not even WW2 era with timed fuses, let alone any modern precision artillery rounds in large quantity.

Firing more is not as effective as hitting more. NATO standard 155mm ammo have timed fuses and air burst capability.

 

[Bojka]

What really should matter is what the majority of those fighting feel. I couldn't care less what the government, the elites, women, the elderly, etc think. They're not the ones fighting.

This war would stop incredibly fast if the fighting was to be done by the elites and their families. Easy for Zelensky and the rest of those not fighting to grandstand.

Those fighting and potential conscriptees. I agree. I would like to see a referendum with only those responding.

I read an article and a Ukrainian woman running a non-profit to help war victims said something like: "everyone is brave from their armchair." That's about right.

 

[Boxiana]

After this concludes, I wonder if Ukraine is going to have a shortage of women and children. Like will they all come back?

Why would they trade a chance at a reasonable life in the west to return to a ravaged country. I guess it will hinge on whether western countries enforce repatriation after the war (seems unlikely) or prohibit family reunions if the husbands are alive and want to come to the west (possible).

It’s a bleak future for Ukraine - and especially the agrarian communities- even if the war stopped tomorrow.

 

[Denter]

There is big question why Zelensky didn't had banned transit from Russia to Hungary to use Ukrainian territory. Not for free ofc.
Actually was funny to see cinema scene when ukraine is directly helping russia to fund war vs ukraine.

They like the $$$, that's why.

 

[Denter]

Why would they trade a chance at a reasonable life in the west to return to a ravaged country. I guess it will hinge on whether western countries enforce repatriation after the war (seems unlikely) or prohibit family reunions if the husbands are alive and want to come to the west (possible).

It’s a bleak future for Ukraine - and especially the agrarian communities- even if the war stopped tomorrow.

https://archive.ph/rgsdt

This was an absolutely horrible article about that, which somehow tried to make the man's wife not look like a monster. The reality is, a lot of people are just totally mercenary. The highest per capita number of divorces in this country is still 1946 for a reason. A lot of these women won't be going back to Ukraine.

 

[lsa]

Pirogis grave, his funeral was attended by 20-30 ppl.

Its also surrounded by police and national guard

 

[syct23]

Pirogis grave, his funeral was attended by 20-30 ppl.

Its also surrounded by police and national guard

Looks like a nice spot to plant some Sunflower seed…

 

[Strychnine]

As a retired veteran this is just bonkers.

To not have enough people or equipment to conduct exercises/training is just unthinkable. This was the second-best military in the world? No, they were the 3rd best military in Ukraine.

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[GhostZ06]

Juice is the pilot in this picture =(


i fucking love the ukraine cameo

 

[GhostZ06]

Also its interesting that the su-57 hasnt been detected in combat. i imagine because Nato AWAC might get data on it .

 

[Rational Poster]

More on Russian artillery ammo

It's one of the reason you see so much "cratering" in areas where Russia has engaged in long term artillery bombardments, Mariupol, Bahkmut etc.

Impact munitions have to hit the ground to detonate so a lot of the explosive force and shrapnel are absorbed by the ground as the shell itself imbeds into the terrain before detonating. It also has a side effect of massively changing the terrain and making it more difficult for both sides to attack or defend. Elevation changes in the terrain changes the sight lines of your machine guns or just make it more difficult to traverse on foot or with a vehicle.

Time fused munitions are much more preferred in most situations as they can be timed to airburst right above the target so all the force and shrapnel hit your mark. Higher rates of casualties and equipment destruction, less and less severe terrain deformation, etc

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[PEB]

 

[PEB]

 

[San Marino]

is the GMLRS a missile or a rocket?@San Marino

Trying to start shit again? We have covered this topic.
The U.S. Army considers it a rocket:
Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMLRS)
A surface-to-surface system used to attack, neutralize, suppress and destroy targets using indirect precision fires up to 70-plus km.
If you and @Rholk want to call it a missile, go right ahead. It would be disinformation, as you and him have accused me of.

Plus, I want to than @Rholk for asking me to rejoin this thread again. He said traffic was down and things were not the same without me. He admitted to being a dick and apologized for it. It takes a real man to do that. Apology accepted mate.

 

[Boxiana]

https://archive.ph/rgsdt

This was an absolutely horrible article about that, which somehow tried to make the man's wife not look like a monster. The reality is, a lot of people are just totally mercenary. The highest per capita number of divorces in this country is still 1946 for a reason. A lot of these women won't be going back to Ukraine.

That’s really rough on the guy, but his wife has chosen a better life for herself and maybe for her sons in the long run if they can accept it. Who knows what their relationship was like before the war and where it would end up if she went back. The soft focus photos of her having a good time in Finland didn’t help.

 

[San Marino]

I thought this was interesting, 2014 numbers:

So, just using Army (soldiers) numbers. Russia had 6 times what Ukraine had. Given that both sides are roughly down by half (killed and wounded), Ukraine would still need an Army roughly 5 to 6 times what it currently has to move Russia back to its original borders. Not going to happen. A 70,000 strong Ukrainian Army will become ineffective when it reaches 35,000 soldiers. At the current rate of Ukrainian losses, this will most likely happen in another 18 months. How will Ukraine defend itself when they reach that point?

 

[San Marino]

ISW - Russian/Ukraine Campaign Assessment, 28 August 2023.

• Ukrainian officials formally acknowledged that Ukrainian forces liberated Robotyne amid continued Ukrainian advances in western Zaporizhia Oblast and near Bakhmut.
• The Russian military command continues to expend relatively elite Russian airborne forces by deploying these troops to defend vulnerable positions against Ukrainian counteroffensives.
• Ukrainian officials stated that Russian forces may intend to resume a wider campaign against Ukrainian critical infrastructure in the fall of 2023.
• Ukrainian officials assessed that any upcoming Russian strike campaign may employ new tactics that use fewer missiles and more drones.
• Russian forces conducted offensive operations on the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, and in western Donetsk.