International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

[cottagecheesefan]

Yeah this is just going to have to play out how it plays out. I don't think any of us really know yet how it will end, but I'm pretty sure the sunshine and rainbows "we're about to win" from the Russia fans and Ukraine respecters are not realistic.

i guess the correct stance here is it doesn’t matter how many Ukrainians die, as long as Russians also die, means you’re pro Ukraine and anti-Russia? slava ukraini!

 

[Hog-train]

link to poll?

This Gallup website article has links to most of the Gallup polls related to the war.

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/471155/charts-russia-ukraine-war.aspx

 

[ferrisjso]

Remember when you were celebrating the Russian take over of Bakhmut?
How did that go?

They still have Bakhmut?

I don't see the point you're trying to make here.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

This Gallup website article has links to most of the Gallup polls related to the war.

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/471155/charts-russia-ukraine-war.aspx

all the polls involving ukranians are from sept of 2022, almost a year ago, way before the spring offensive.

and the overall link is from half a year ago, also before the spring offensive.

Ummm, wow, very up to date and relevant, I am impressed. Obviously a failed spring offensive with a big spike in dead Ukrainians won’t have changed that at all, you truly are in tune with the average Ukrainian thanks to Gallup

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

all the polls involving ukranians are from sept of 2022, almost a year ago, way before the spring offensive.

and the overall link is from half a year ago, also before the spring offensive.

Ummm, wow, very up to date and relevant, I am impressed. Obviously a failed spring offensive with a big spike in dead Ukrainians won’t have changed that at all, you truly are in tune with the average Ukrainian thanks to Gallup

These are a couple months old... https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blo...ve-84-of-ukrainians-are-ready-for-a-long-war/

"In line with other surveys of public opinion in wartime Ukraine, the KIIS poll identified strikingly similar attitudes across the country, with 75% of respondents in eastern Ukraine ruling out any territorial concessions compared to 84% in central Ukraine and 86% in both the south and west.

This illustrates the unifying impact the Russian invasion has had on Ukrainian public opinion, and underlines the significance of the ongoing war as a major milestone in modern Ukraine’s nation-building journey."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-new...g-land-to-reach-peace-with-russia-11656504002

"An overwhelming share of Ukrainians—some 89%—say it would be unacceptable to reach a peace deal with Moscow by ceding Ukrainian territory that Russian forces have seized in their invasion this year, a new Wall Street Journal-NORC poll finds."

 

[lsa]

They still have Bakhmut?

I don't see the point you're trying to make here.

Back when Pirogi said they taken over the city in a juridical sense,
Cheese was celebrating. They had not still taken over the city.
Today there is still heavy fighting in and around the city and Ukraine has gained ground.


My point is stop being a douche, stop celebrating Russia, because you some how think it owns the libs.

 

[ferrisjso]

all the polls involving ukranians are from sept of 2022, almost a year ago, way before the spring offensive.

and the overall link is from half a year ago, also before the spring offensive.

Ummm, wow, very up to date and relevant, I am impressed

I will say in their defense many if not most people who'd vote no in such a poll have left the country. Same deal with the Russian referendums nos were much more likely to leave than yes's.

 

[Hog-train]

all the polls involving ukranians are from sept of 2022, almost a year ago, way before the spring offensive.

and the overall link is from half a year ago, also before the spring offensive.

Ummm, wow, very up to date and relevant, I am impressed. Obviously a failed spring offensive with a big spike in dead Ukrainians won’t have changed that at all, you truly are in tune with the average Ukrainian thanks to Gallup

Ok so show some polling proof of the opposite. Simple.

 

[Strychnine]

Ok so show some polling proof of the opposite. Simple.

In before a Hindustan times link.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

i guess the correct stance here is it doesn’t matter how many Ukrainians die, as long as Russians also die, means you’re pro Ukraine and anti-Russia? slava ukraini!

That's kinda like saying a man who is prepared to die defending his children, and is also prepared to kill defending his children, is dying for nothing when his family is attacked.

It doesn't make any sense.

"How many Ukrainians will die" - as many as it takes until the cunts that invaded fuck off, no?

"How many parents prepared to defend their children have to die before they let their children be slaughtered?"

Fucking, all of them.

All of them.

Neutralize the threat before you surrender.

 

[lsa]

Seems Estonian president is in hot water..
She might get canned.
She has had a firm stance on boycotting Russia and for sanctions against Russia.
Yet her hubby has been dealing with Russia the whole time and made good cash.
His excuse is I did nothing wrong and my wife did not know what I am doing since we never talk work at home.
Even if true its going to be bumpy now on for Kallas.

"Prime Minister Kaja Kallas has been an advocate of cutting off all cooperation with Russia, but now she is accused of hypocrisy and called on to resign."

"Estonian media last week could reveal that Kaja Kallas' own husband has shares in a company that still operates in Russia.
And who have made good money from it.
The revelation has drawn massive criticism and led to calls for her to step down."

Full article here
https://nyheder.tv2.dk/udland/2023-...hendes-mands-forbindelser-udloest-en-skandale

Ooouch. Its gonna hurt!

 

[SandisLL]

Funny that she agreed to send Ukr 60 howitzers and for such small country it is a lot.
Also she agrred to send ammunition to Ukr something like 1 week after invasion had started.

 

[Rod1]

How much do you anticipate we will spend on the conflict itself and then Ukraine rebuilding?

Less then 5% of the yearly military budget.

 

[Rod1]

i guess the correct stance here is it doesn’t matter how many Ukrainians die, as long as Russians also die, means you’re pro Ukraine and anti-Russia? slava ukraini!

Ukrainians could surrender tomorrow if they wanted.

Taliban took Kabul driving pickup trucks and the NATO supplied Afghan army tucked tail and ran.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Funny that she agreed to send Ukr 60 howitzers and for such small country it is a lot.
Also she agrred to send ammunition to Ukr something like 1 week after invasion had started.

What's your take on that story?

 

[Denter]

i guess the correct stance here is it doesn’t matter how many Ukrainians die, as long as Russians also die, means you’re pro Ukraine and anti-Russia? slava ukraini!

No, not pro Ukraine, but it's like watching a hurricane or something; it's totally out of my hands anyway, I can't do anything about it, might as well watch how much of the town it wrecks.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Ok so show some polling proof of the opposite. Simple.

Not polling (highly doubt there isn’t any recent polling to be found), but the article I mentioned the recruitment problem from today by CNN from a few days ago can be found here. A bit more relevant than you citing polls from a year ago. Who is using more relevant info, Gallup polls from a year ago or CNN from this week? Hmmm. Next think you know, posters ITT will start talking about how much CNNhas become pro Russia, just like NYT and Washington post <45><45>


Ukraine recruiters sacked because Ukrainian fighting aged men are laying them off not go be drafted

 

[Hog-train]

Not polling (highly doubt there isn’t any recent polling to be found), but the article I mentioned the recruitment problem from today by CNN from a few days ago can be found here. A bit more relevant than you citing polls from a year ago. Who is using more relevant info, Gallup polls from a year ago or CNN from this week? Hmmm. Next think you know, posters ITT will start talking about how much CNNhas become pro Russia, just like NYT and Washington post <45><45>


Ukraine recruiters sacked because Ukrainian fighting aged men are laying them off not go be drafted

Read the article. This is a story of a handful of corrupt officials helping people avoid conscription. It's a given that some will try to avoid conscription.

That doesn't tell the story of the general will of the entire country. What does the majority think.

 

[The XL]

What really should matter is what the majority of those fighting feel. I couldn't care less what the government, the elites, women, the elderly, etc think. They're not the ones fighting.

This war would stop incredibly fast if the fighting was to be done by the elites and their families. Easy for Zelensky and the rest of those not fighting to grandstand.

 

[SakurabasEar]

After this concludes, I wonder if Ukraine is going to have a shortage of women and children. Like will they all come back?