International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

[AWilder]

Interesting possibility.



Prigozhin faked death in 2019

Prigozhin flew to Moscow for an unknown reason after returning from Africa – speculation is he could have been summoned there by the Kremlin.

According to reports, Prigozhin’s phone has been found among the wreckage.

Both Wagner and Moscow sources claim Prigozhin is dead – but there has been no official confirmation amid the cloak and dagger of Russia.

None of the bodies recovered from the crash site have been identified yet.

It is understood DNA testing is taking place as the corpses are so badly burnt.

But there is speculation Prigozhin may have dodged Putin’s wrath as a second plane linked to the Wagner leader was spotted just half an hour after the jet crashed.

Prigozhin previously faked his own death and was declared dead in Africa in 2019 before re-emerging three days later.

https://www.news.com.au/world/europ...d/news-story/c96b490d3a1dba870b3ebfd0d620d36f

russian jesus

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Interesting possibility.



Prigozhin faked death in 2019

Prigozhin flew to Moscow for an unknown reason after returning from Africa – speculation is he could have been summoned there by the Kremlin.

According to reports, Prigozhin’s phone has been found among the wreckage.

Both Wagner and Moscow sources claim Prigozhin is dead – but there has been no official confirmation amid the cloak and dagger of Russia.

None of the bodies recovered from the crash site have been identified yet.

It is understood DNA testing is taking place as the corpses are so badly burnt.

But there is speculation Prigozhin may have dodged Putin’s wrath as a second plane linked to the Wagner leader was spotted just half an hour after the jet crashed.

Prigozhin previously faked his own death and was declared dead in Africa in 2019 before re-emerging three days later.

https://www.news.com.au/world/europ...d/news-story/c96b490d3a1dba870b3ebfd0d620d36f

Interesting theory because on one hand Prig had to know he had it coming unless he thought he was untouchable. After all Putin gave his word that he would be safe should the coup attempt stop. But Putin also promised that all involved in the Coup would face the consequences…. Which is one of the few truths he has said. Everyone else involved in it seems to have been liquidated and Prig and Wagner leadership were the last to complete Putins purge.

 

[PEB]

 

[PEB]

Interesting possibility.



Prigozhin faked death in 2019

Prigozhin flew to Moscow for an unknown reason after returning from Africa – speculation is he could have been summoned there by the Kremlin.

According to reports, Prigozhin’s phone has been found among the wreckage.

Both Wagner and Moscow sources claim Prigozhin is dead – but there has been no official confirmation amid the cloak and dagger of Russia.

None of the bodies recovered from the crash site have been identified yet.

It is understood DNA testing is taking place as the corpses are so badly burnt.

But there is speculation Prigozhin may have dodged Putin’s wrath as a second plane linked to the Wagner leader was spotted just half an hour after the jet crashed.

Prigozhin previously faked his own death and was declared dead in Africa in 2019 before re-emerging three days later.

https://www.news.com.au/world/europ...d/news-story/c96b490d3a1dba870b3ebfd0d620d36f

Problem with this they claim they found the bodies of Prigozhin and the Nazi sim so that means Russia into this story.

 

[SandisLL]

I've seen some speculation that the falling out between Wagner and Putin started in Syria when the Russian MoD lowered their defenses and allowed the US airforce to plaster Wagner into the desert instead of admitting there were Russians on the ground.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham

Then Russian policy was to deny that wagneritrs are doing russian MoDs orders in Syria.

Therefore most likely colonels and generals also get instructions according to this agenda.

Most likely shit looked like this: " there is shit xx, are your guys in this location? "
NO.
After this ...order to smash ....

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Shit could real for Putin inside Russia at any time… 1000’s of Prig supporters and Wagnerites could be anywhere.

 

[SandisLL]

Lukashenko most likely is offering lesser money than african oligarchs.
While Putin ofc is doing hybrid war vs EU countries, with some batches with wagnerites isn't enough for successful attack vs Suwalki gap or Vilnius.
Some 6000 wagnerites Lithuania might kill without NATO assistance therefor Lukashenko should support such attack with Belarus armed forces... ofc this means also mobilisation. Lithuania due to location is capable to turn transformators and fuel storages for emergency generators in this Lukashenko nuclear power plant into Bakhmut really quickly. Jamming will not help it is in artillery fire range if even simple RAP or BB type projectiles are used. This stuff really is capable to turn into Fukushima easy, unlike Zaporozia NPP cos reactors are operating normally and most likely spent fuel basins already does have some hot fuel roads placed in these.

 

[Boxiana]

Then Russian policy was to deny that wagneritrs are doing russian MoDs orders in Syria.

Therefore most likely colonels and generals also get instructions according to this agenda.

Most likely shit looked like this: " there is shit xx, are your guys in this location? "
NO.
After this ...order to smash ....

Or more likely the Russian military just hate Wagner, saw an opportunity and took it.

 

[SandisLL]

Or more likely the Russian military just hate Wagner, saw an opportunity and took it.

Well.
I think that for russian military all these gangs and earlier LPR and DPR etc were really usable because even if about casualities Shoigu is responsible only about enlisted russia's military perssonel...this means these secret reports about wounded, died and disappeared : Shoigu & Co are filling these only about oficially enlisted in rus military persons.
Even these under russian MoIF ( minister of Internal Affairs ) like OMON ( OMOH ) aren't his responibility to do such reports about them.

Therefore from one point all these prisoners, mercenaries and gangs are very comfortable thing for russian officials...

 

[SandisLL]

IMHO it is really painful reality Ukr does have because U.S and Germany most likely did all the best in their ability to delay or deny most essential support they had been asked for.
Patriot batteries are ...ofc valuable thing while such supplies alone are labotatorium type game when you
....ok... have journeyman booked to fight in away corner ( everyone knows that he is scheduled to loss ).
It is more than 500 days of war until U.S had started to supply 155 mm cluster ammunition and it is awful shame.
U.S didn't had agreed to supply 1 single ATACMS missile till today.
U.S didn't had supplied 1 single cluster ammo missile for HIMARS.
U.S thus far had supplied 0 main battle tank.

All this stuff really looks that for someone is with gameplan to allow Putin annex deFacto territories he had annexed on paper and sign some treaties till next war in Ukraine.
It is painful reality.
Germany doesn't sign re export permits for cluster ammunition they had produced during Cold War and doesn't allow to send old Taurus missiles to Ukr.
Hungary is pro Kremlin oriented.
Etc beauties.

 

[SandisLL]

Ukraine needs to get someting more with range more than 80 km....

The same ATACMS, G
LSDB etc and more cruise missiles, better if ground launch versions in order to hit ammo depots and radioelectronic warfare stations.
And cluster ammo more to repel attcks with lesser loss in manpower.
To talk about tanks IMHO now long ago is history book worth thing nothing more.

 

[Videer]

Nice to see quadcopter operators provide support from the skies to the assault group instead of just providing surveillance.



North of Bakhmut 48.695637, 37.911911

Cool innovation

I like the idea, treat these small drones as expendable assets and make production numbers reflect that.

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[MeatWagon06]

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[Joe]

Seems like there is a lot going on tonight

 

[Strychnine]

24 August is Ukrainian Independence Day.

Slava Ukraini!

 

[Strychnine]

 

[nhbfan8080]

Seems like there is a lot going on tonight

Ukraine has thrown in its main assault forces that were previously held in reserve until about 2 weeks ago so this is the big push that Ukraine needs to do before winter.
About the twitter news that Russian HQ in Tokmak is being evacuated, its probably because they are close to or within range of ordinary Ukrainian artillery after Robotyne was taken.

 

[Hog-train]

Seems like the counter offensive is ramping up. Perhaps they'll be a critical breakthrough at some point.