International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

[GhostZ06]

Who cares if they're more maneuverable? That's useless when the name of the game is stealthily detecting each other from distance and firing rockets before they even know you're there.

mig31 technically can-ish

 

[SummerStriker]

Russia is so classy with how they bury people. God damn.

 

[Strychnine]

Does Prigozhin go to Outer Heaven now?

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[AWilder]

They still got 30 to 35 su-27s which are not by any stretch bad aircraft. They're limited, due to being older models, and lacking older avionics. I remember seeing somewhere that 1 or 2 where given to one of our Defense contractors to tinker with.

i wont say those Sukhoi are bad plane, hell a lot of the problems are lack of training an corruption that prevent the VAKS from being as deadly as they were during soviet times.

Su-37 Terminator was actually more manurverable then F-16 and F-15.

Then you had Su-47 Berkut which was more maneuverable then F-22, an they almost produced it. To bad putin is an idiot ruined Mig and Sukhoi by merging them all into 1 company.

the Berkut is a peak gen 4 aircraft that had some interesting qualities but those qualities weren't really where future engagements were going to happen. The technology was shifting engagements beyond visual range, making detection and tracking more important than high-g turns. The maneuverability didn't mean much if the other guy could see you first and attack first BVR. I do agree merging was a bad move but that's Russia for you. They had a lot of funding issues. I'm sure a big research budget gets cannibalized quickly with all the corruption.

 

[AWilder]

Russia is so classy with how they bury people. God damn.

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[GhostZ06]

the Berkut is a peak gen 4 aircraft that had some interesting qualities but those qualities weren't really where future engagements were going to happen. The technology was shifting engagements beyond visual range, making detection and tracking more important than high-g turns. The maneuverability didn't mean much if the other guy could see you first and attack first BVR. I do agree merging was a bad move but that's Russia for you. They had a lot of funding issues. I'm sure a big research budget gets cannibalized quickly with all the corruption.

i mean, when was the last time you saw a plane made by mig outside of concepts? Let alone a Yak


Last thing yak toyed with was this YAK-201

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/yak-201.htm

It looks like a more advanced F35. In short, its really sad to see the old Soviet Aerospace industry in its current state.

 

[Strychnine]

i mean, when was the last time you saw a plane made by mig outside of concepts? Let alone a Yak


Last thing yak toyed with was this YAK-201

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/yak-201.htm

It looks like a more advanced F35. In short, its really sad to see the old Soviet Aerospace industry in its current state.

This is what happens when the entire military sector is built on graft.



There is some Cr@ZY stuff that goes on in the Russian military.

 

[AWilder]

Do you guys think the F-16s will be enough to finally finish off Putin?

Here's another capability explained

 

[AWilder]

Cool innovation

 

[Vergilius]

Wagner will never be the same without Prigozhin and Concord (his business empire). Because of Concord, Wagner was not just a mercenary group, but could offer Prigozhin's online "services" as well to create legitimacy or attack opponents of a regime. They could even rig an election for you. Furthermore, Wagner didn't have to be paid in cash, but could accept things like cuts of mining rights etc. because Concord's various components could cover shortfalls for one another until money could be extracted.

I learned that from listening to this podcast, which someone here recommended to me. I forgot who, but thanks, mate, it's pretty great!

 

[AWilder]

Wagner will never be the same without Prigozhin and Concord (his business empire). Because of Concord, Wagner was not just a mercenary group, but could offer Prigozhin's online "services" as well to create legitimacy or attack opponents of a regime. They could even rig an election for you. Furthermore, Wagner didn't have to be paid in cash, but could accept things like cuts of mining rights etc. because Concord's various components could cover shortfalls for one another until money could be extracted.

I learned that from listening to this podcast, which someone here recommended to me. I forgot who, but thanks, mate, it's pretty great!

I need to check this out later

 

[Vergilius]

I need to check this out later

It's well worth your time. The podcaster has a deep knowledge of Russian history and politics and is also THE most British person this side of Buckingham Palace.

 

[Osculater]

Cool innovation

And it is biodegradable

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

It's amazing how many holes Russian air defenses have...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...russias-main-missile-base-in-occupied-crimea/

Ukraine Just Blew Up Russia’s Main Missile Base In Occupied Crimea

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Ukraine Just Blew Up Russia’s Main Missile Base In Occupied Crimea

David Axe Forbes Staff I write about ships, planes, tanks, drones, missiles and satellites. Follow 31 Aug 23, 2023,05:10pm EDT An S-400 battery explodes in Crimea.UKRAINIAN INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION After capturing Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula in February 2014, the Russian armed forces established a major missile base on Cape Tarkhankut in western Crimea. There, the Russians deployed an S-400 surface-to-air missile battery, a battery armed with Bastion anti-ship cruise missiles and a suite of radars including a Podlet K1 and potentially others.

Assisted by the Podlet, the S-400 battery could threaten aerial targets as far away as 250 miles—covering the entire western Black Sea—while the Bastion could hit ships at a distance of 190 miles or so. A Bastion also can strike targets on land. It’s not unfair to call the Cape Tarkhankut site the linchpin of Russian air and naval defenses across the Black Sea and Crimea. Which is why, on Wednesday, the Ukrainian armed forces blew it up.

We don’t know exactly what happened, but we do know this: around 10:00 A.M. on Wednesday, local time, a series of explosions rocked the cape. It’s possible the Ukrainian air force hit the Russian base with Storm Shadow cruise missiles or S-200 ballistic missiles. It also is possible drones or saboteurs were responsible. Petro Andriushchenko, advisor to the exiled Ukrainian mayor of Russian-occupied Mariupol, claimed the Bastion battery was hit. Ukrainian intelligence added that the S-400 battery and its crew was wiped out, too. It’s hard to imagine the Podlet K1 and other large radars on the peninsula escaped attention.

“This is a painful blow to the air-defense system of the occupiers, which will have a serious impact on further events in the occupied Crimea,” the intelligence agency stated.

It’s the clear objective of Ukraine’s 10-week-old counteroffensive to drive the 50 miles from the front line to the Black Sea in occupied southern Ukraine and sever the land links between Russia and Crimea, leaving the Russian occupiers on the peninsular dependent on vulnerable ships and aircraft for resupply.

In cutting off the garrison, the Ukrainians could begin starving it—setting favorable conditions for the eventual liberation of Crimea. Ideally, Ukraine would liberate Crimea “without a fight,” Ukrainian defense minister Oleksii Reznikov has said. But that only would be possible with a virtual blockade of the Russian garrison—a blockade Russia’s air and naval defenses on the peninsula are supposed to prevent. With the destruction of a key missile and radar site, the blockade becomes more feasible.

Ukrainian strikes on Russian positions in Crimea are escalating, with explosives-laden drone boats swarming Russian naval bases and aerial drones, Storm Shadows and S-200s plucking at Russian air bases, logistical facilities and bridges. Expect these raids to escalate even further as Russian air and naval defenses—themselves targets of Ukraine’s drones and missiles—unravel.
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[GhostZ06]

 

[Boxiana]

Wagner will never be the same without Prigozhin and Concord (his business empire). Because of Concord, Wagner was not just a mercenary group, but could offer Prigozhin's online "services" as well to create legitimacy or attack opponents of a regime. They could even rig an election for you. Furthermore, Wagner didn't have to be paid in cash, but could accept things like cuts of mining rights etc. because Concord's various components could cover shortfalls for one another until money could be extracted.

I learned that from listening to this podcast, which someone here recommended to me. I forgot who, but thanks, mate, it's pretty great!

 

[Hog-train]

And it is biodegradable

And vegan non-binary as well.

 

[Osculater]

And vegan non-binary as well.

But is it trans-masculine or trans-feminine non-binary?

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

Apparently 12 Ukrainian POWs died in Russian custody. They were confirmed alive and well by Red Cross prior.