International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

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What's the deal with the grain? Is it because Ukrainian agriculture uses certain chemicals that aren't allowed in the EU or is it dumping that will undercut Polish farmers?
Both plus tax evasion schemes and deals " under the table ".
However not all ukr farms are bad.
Some are very good quality wheat, some are , let's pray God.

Papers about quality in Ukr if we know how corrupt country it is .....better dream than trust.

IF Ukr company declares that it is transit for export with final destination ( customer ) outside EU, then EU doesn't demand EU quality certs for stuff transported through EU territory.

While schemes when grain is transported to EU for transit to final destination countries outside EU and some part of this is sold in EU does exist..

Transit also means expenses charged by companies and fees charged by government.
Polish government remowed gov fees part from wheat in order to help Ukraine save money.

This conflict is very huge and impactful.
 
What's the deal with the grain? Is it because Ukrainian agriculture uses certain chemicals that aren't allowed in the EU or is it dumping that will undercut Polish farmers?

European protectionism under the Common Agricultural Policy prevents it, I believe.
 
Next " beauty " is chicken meat, eggs and egg powder.
I don't have knowledge about nuances ....
Ukr farms aren't mandatory under EU standards therefore production might be cheaper plus add here low salaries for perssonel and in some cases demping....

Egg powder is stuff that might make Lithuania and Ukr into enemies. Lithuanian farms should maintain the same standards like farm in France, Luxembourg, Belgium or Germany.
Ukr farm NO.
While at least about wheat Lithuania isn't triggered cos their wheat is very high quality, if harvest is good, then they have 0,5 - 1,8% share in world wheat export market...
Ukr usually had 4-8,5 % share...
 
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Nutrition for cattle.
Baltic countries usually produced more than were capable use locally so there was some export.
This year is fu**** ...
Some big businesses stated that they managed to produce 20-25% from usual production. :(.
It is excepted ( will see what will happen ) that during next couple months meat price will go down because slaughteries will have a lot of tasks to be done.
Cows, pigs...
 
I know what my post history is. I guarantee that you do not.

Dont want to be a chud? Don't type like one.

dude you're in a russia/ukraine war thread. do u have anything relevant to say or do u wanna jus hurl insults around because ppl think differently than u?

stay on topic u fukin putin apologist
 
has the UA taken back bakhmut yet or is it still insignificant in strategical value?
Bakhmut had enough financial value before war. As transport hub it was valuable until nice " liberation ".
BTW I think that for us better will be if russian taxpayers will pay for reconstruction done by companies directly or indirectly owned by billionaires friendly with Putin....
Like Grozny.

Not from my tax money.

Strategically important are heights near Bakhmut not city per se.
Bakhmut = shelled minefield to kill ppl.

Soledar stratrgically is more important and Ukr sucked when allowed to take Soledar....
 
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Ukraine did had a lot of huge and painful mistakes in preparation for next attack in timerame 2015-2022
in Luhansk and Donestsk oblastj.
If russians aren't total idiots they should annex Luhansk and Donetsk oblastjs. .
 
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/how-the-war-split-the-mafia-101692387098448-amp.html


How the war split the mafia

"How the war split the mafia The Economist

Aug 19, 2023 01:33 AM IST It has transformed crime not only in Russia and Ukraine, but around the world.


Russia’s invasion has hit the underworld with the force of an earthquake - Representative Image(Pixabay) Aleksandr Otdelnov owns an unusual tourist attraction: a smuggling museum.

Contraband has been flowing through his native OdesAa since the 18th century. Until it closed because of covid-19, the museum displayed everything from pearls and pistols sneaking into imperial Russia to more contemporary loot. Then came the war in February 2022. “The port stopped working, and everything stopped,” says Mr Otdelnov. It wasn’t just the tourist flows that ended.

Odesa had been a key node in a vast network of crime centred on Ukraine and Russia that reached from Afghanistan to the Andes. It was part of the “strongest criminal ecosystem in Europe”, reckons the Global Initiative against Transnational Organised Crime (GITOC), a think-tank.

Russia’s invasion has hit this underworld with the force of an earthquake (see map 1). The vast majority of rock-hard Ukrainian mobsters have stopped collaborating with their Russian peers. “We are thieves, we are against any state, but we decided we are for Ukraine,” says one. Lucrative heroin-smuggling routes are being remapped, affecting prices and profits for criminal syndicates thousands of miles away. If the disruption proves lasting it could alter the face of global crime. It will also change Ukraine.

Russia’s invasion has hit this underworld with the force of an earthquake (The Economist) The country has struggled with corruption ever since it left the Soviet Union in 1991. The Maidan revolution of 2013-14 overthrew a corrupt president and some of the oligarchy behind him. In 2019 Volodymyr Zelensky was elected as president on an anti-corruption platform and passed mafia-busting reforms. But at best it was a half-finished clean-up.

Before the invasion, GITOC ranked Ukraine 34th-worst out of 193 countries on its criminality index, and third in Europe. Ukraine also scored notably badly on perceptions of corruption. The underworld in the government-held parts of Ukraine before 2022 was intermittently, and violently, contested between different groups.

Nonetheless, it had three facets that linked Ukraine to global criminal markets. First, a contraband “superhighway” linking Russia and Ukraine, passing through the parts of eastern Ukraine that were occupied by Russia in 2014.

Second, global smuggling hubs in Odesa and the other Black Sea ports. And finally factories in Ukraine for the production of illicit goods for export. This infrastructure supported different business models for different products.

Ukraine was a growing “spin-off” transit route for heroin from Afghanistan, augmenting routes through the Balkans and the Caucasus (The Economist) This infrastructure supported different business models for different products. Ukraine was a growing “spin-off” transit route for heroin from Afghanistan, augmenting routes through the Balkans and the Caucasus (see map 2). Before the war it had the fourth-largest heroin seizures in Europe.

Cocaine from Latin America flowed via the Black Sea. In the other direction, mobsters exported weapons to Asia and Africa, notably from Mykolaiv, a port. In 2020 Ukraine overtook China to become Europe’s largest source of illegal tobacco. The local manufacture of amphetamines was rising: 67 illegal laboratories were dismantled that year, the highest reported figure of any country.

The war has changed everything by creating “an environment of unacceptable risk for international illicit trafficking”, says a new report from America’s government. Black Sea ports have been closed or much restricted for shipping. The boundary between government-run Ukraine and the territories occupied by Russia is now a fortified series of killing fields, breaking the superhighway.

Enlistment in Ukraine has deprived the underworld of manpower while martial law has stopped a wide range of criminal activity. Curfews make it harder to move around at night.

Ukrainian gangsters are also shunning their Russian counterparts. “It is one thing to be called a criminal; quite another to be thought of as a traitor,” says Mark Galeotti, author of “The Vory: Russia’s Super Mafia”. Loyalty to Ukraine is about risk control as well as patriotism. “If we were annexed to Russia, many of the guys in prison might be transferred a long way away,” explains one gangster. “Russian guards are merciless. None of us need that. So we’ll do the dirty work for Ukraine.“

The knock-on effects are being felt globally as contraband networks are reconfigured to bypass Ukraine. Turkish customs officials say more heroin and methamphetamines are flowing across the border with Iran. Lithuanian border officials saw a fourfold year-on-year rise in illicit tobacco volumes in the first quarter of 2022.

Estonian officials working with Europol, the EU’s police agency, nabbed 3.5 tonnes of Latin American cocaine in the port of Muuga, worth roughly half a billion euros, last year. The blocking of Ukraine’s Black Sea ports and increased controls in western Europe may also explain large seizures recently in Russia.

On April 10th the authorities seized almost 700 kilos of cocaine in Moscow. Russian wiseguys close to the border with Belarus, once marginal, are now profiting from the smuggling of luxury goods into Russia, especially fancy designer handbags. The war has also meant new short-term opportunities for gangsters in Ukraine.

One is people-smuggling. The un estimates that about 5m Ukrainian refugees are in “temporary protection” in Europe, and its statistical modelling of historical trends suggests perhaps 100,000 might become victims of people-trafficking. There is also a market for smuggling conscripts out of Ukraine. Sometimes this can be as simple as sneaking them past Ukrainian passport control.

At least 8,000 have been caught trying to leave the country, mostly for Moldova or Poland. Smugglers reportedly charge from €5,000 ($5,500) to €10,000. Still, so far the scale of human-trafficking is not as bad as it could be. “It happens,” says a senior Europol official, “but far less than we expected.” The long-term impact of the war on criminality in Russia is likely to be malign.

The state has intensified links with organised criminals that were already established, though only occasionally exploited, according to Mr Galeotti. Russian mobsters operating outside the country have been required to deposit a share of their profits in so-called “black accounts” that can be accessed by Russia’s spies to cover their operating costs.

Criminals have been recruited to act as Kremlin intelligence agents, notably to help obtain much-needed embargoed semiconductors for the war effort. The seizure of Western-owned firms in Russia by the Kremlin or its proxies will fuel a new era of cronyism, while the requirement to mask cross-border transactions or bypass the Western financial system will reduce transparency and accountability further.

For Ukraine, the long-run picture is less clear-cut. A frozen conflict could certainly create big risks. Before the invasion, Ukraine had somewhere between 7m and 9m legal firearms. There were perhaps as many illicit ones. The country is now even more awash with weaponry. History suggests that wars fuel arms-dealing: guns from Yugoslavia are used in violent crime across Europe.

Interpol’s secretary-general, Jürgen Stock, has warned there could be a surge in the trafficking of small arms. So far, however, so good. “We are not seeing arms-trafficking on a systematic or organised basis,” explains the Europol official.

Domestic drug production could crank up again. America’s government recently reported the growth of more distributed networks of smaller drug laboratories in Ukraine which use the Internet for sales and the postal system for delivery. The biggest risk comes from the process of reconstruction.

Last month the World Bank put the cost of rebuilding Ukraine at $411bn, including $92bn on transport and $69bn on housing. Such large-scale projects could easily be preyed upon by mafias, who rig public-procurement systems and bidding systems to gain access to land, subsidies and licences.

Still, there is an opportunity to make permanent the diminution of organised crime in Ukraine. The main effort must come from within the country. A draft law from December aims to reform urban planning: related government documents say the construction industry is prone to “abuse of power”, “general corruption” and “avoidance of punishment”.

In January Mr Zelensky fired four deputy ministers and five regional governors for graft, according to Reuters. “Any internal problems that interfere with the state are being cleaned up,” he declared.

Outside pressure may help: those reconstruction funds are likely to come largely from foreigners and to have strings attached. Ukraine’s eventual membership of the EU is still many years away but the process of converging with eu norms is a lever with which to combat organised crime.

The country was given candidate status back in June. It is a truism among those who study organised crime around the world that war and social dislocation generate opportunities for gangsters and their white-collar collaborators. Yet there are unusual elements of Ukraine’s experience that might permit a different result.

The war has severed the decades-old physical and social arteries between the country and Russia’s criminal networks, possibly for years to come. It has given the Ukrainian state further public legitimacy to combat oligarchy and may increase Western participation in, and scrutiny of, the economy. No one sensible thinks smuggling in Odessa will be relegated to a museum. But there is a chance that Ukraine could finally stop being a gangster’s paradise. © 2023, The Economist
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Yuanukovich stuff was in reality different from stuff portrayed by mass media.
1. He attempted to change Ukr constitution without referendum.
2. He blocked trade deal with EU/ EEZ.
3. It is suspected that he might had ordered to kill more than 100 unarmed civilians.
4. He is very rich old alcoholic with bunch of impactful friends and relatives.
5. Yuanukovich wasn't couped
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He didn't fultfilled duties as president of Ukraine from march 2014 till beginning of 2015 th and therefore had been kicked out from his post.
Imagine, you don't work 8 months and should keep your job and salary? LOL.
Yuanukovich attempted to change Ukr constitution in order to turn Ukraine into presidental - parliamentar republic from ....parliamentar - presidental republic it today is.
Literally to create Lukashenko No2 or Tzar ....institution.
 
dude you're in a russia/ukraine war thread. do u have anything relevant to say or do u wanna jus hurl insults around because ppl think differently than u?

stay on topic u fukin putin apologist
I’ve added plenty of relevant posts to these threads. Also can you please type like an adult?
 
About european supposed protectionism it is idiotic assumption.
Agriculutral production limited with quotas.
Landlords should pay " nice " tax each year for mortgage they does have. Land property too.
Cool and beautiful social and income tax for both: employer and employee.
Quality certs and endless inspections.

I really want to see Ukr farmer - hero to purchase farm in the same Poland ( btw best variant this month ) and operate farm some 10 years and then talk. :D.
Protectionism sure:D:p.
 

This is what I really hate most about Russia and the war. It's the modern age. Russia still shows complete disregard for its own people. They conscript them and send them out there entirely unprepared. Yes Russia can win by sheer numbers eventually. But holy crap the Russian state really does not care about it's people. At least give those kids a fighting chance to survive. Fuck

The most offensive part to me was the way they just threw their elite paratroopers out there at the start of the war with no relief and no support. Those were guys that did take their craft seriously, probably did place their faith in their country and it's cause. They were completely betrayed by the Russian government.
 
This is what I really hate most about Russia and the war. It's the modern age. Russia still shows complete disregard for its own people. They conscript them and send them out there entirely unprepared. Yes Russia can win by sheer numbers eventually. But holy crap the Russian state really does not care about it's people. At least give those kids a fighting chance to survive. Fuck

The most offensive part to me was the way they just threw their elite paratroopers out there at the start of the war with no relief and no support. Those were guys that did take their craft seriously, probably did place their faith in their country and it's cause. They were completely betrayed by the Russian government.

It was fail on soviet doctorine

One group gets thrown/pushes as far as possible while second and third wave push through from a far.Problem was too little manpower on 2nd wave and intelligence failure about resistance hence everything went to shit

Of course other factors as well but strictly from command point of view from rus side
(You are correct about goverment not giving a fuck about people)

Btw Heres good subreddit about military strategy /tactics etc, good discussions about ukr hostomel etc can be found.


https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/
 
It was fail on soviet doctorine

One group gets thrown/pushes as far as possible while second and third wave push through from a far.Problem was too little manpower on 2nd wave and intelligence failure about resistance hence everything went to shit

Of course other factors as well but strictly from command point of view from rus side
(You are correct about goverment not giving a fuck about people)

Btw Heres good subreddit about military strategy /tactics etc, good discussions about ukr hostomel etc can be found.


https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/
I get Al that but it doesn’t explain why they don’t even teach them to shoot straight before throwing them out there
 
I get Al that but it doesn’t explain why they don’t even teach them to shoot straight before throwing them out there

If you mean conscripts thats because system is corrupt lol some get training some dont

(Spec ops know their stuff,hostomel was actually impressive in how they managed to hold on that long while taking fire from everything, russians used it as some tale of heroism on their media)
 
If you mean conscripts thats because system is corrupt lol some get training some dont

(Spec ops know their stuff,hostomel was actually impressive in how they managed to hold on that long while taking fire from everything, russians used it as some tale of heroism on their media)
I know they do, or at least did have legitimate soldiers. That’s what I was saying also upset me, because they were also thrown away like San Marino planned the mission. I know it is corrupt and it disgusts me how they treat their people.
 
Imo Rus isn't pushed hard enough economically. Those annexed oligarchs bank accounts, yachts, properties should of been long time ago sold out and cash given to Ukr, don't understand why they keeping it for. Relations between Rus and West should never ever recover and only left to deteriorate further to the lowest levels. Citizens barred from travelling to West, total isolation.

Western leaders are soft af when handling Rus. And just as Iran provides drones to Rus, the Ukr should have been provided drones from NATO to pound Rus cities just like Rus does it to them. No remorse.

Also Medvedev and all other barking dogs should have been banned and removed from western social media.
 
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