International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

[SandisLL]

A lot of assumptions are smuggled into the term "freedom and democracy". It's just used as magic words, a spell, etc.

The ironic thing is, when a war begins, no one acts very free or democratic. You can and will catch charges in Russia and Ukraine for criticism of the war.

The difference between Ukrain and russia is fight for existence.
" Ukraine isn't proper country and uktrainians aren't nation ". Trademark : Putin.
Even this is mild stuff if compare with " United Russia " political party statement posted in RIA Novosti.
Even crazy Putin had ordered to delete this.
DeUkrainization of Ukraine.
Rusification.
Filtration camps, also for civies in occupied areas.
Programs to develop to deal with ppl not willing to accept deUkrainization etc.

Basically GESTAPO type stuff from WW2 flwchart...

Putin too is talking about freedom and free democraric elections, Lukashenko too. At least Xi and Iran + North Korea here are more honest.
A lot btw....
While Ukraine is in reality for them like just part of Kremlin's empire.

 

[AWilder]

 

[LeonardoBjj]

- Russia is like:

 

[Blayt7hh]

Again you keep projecting everyones values and that everyone agrees with your definitions of freedom and democracy when they simply do not.

How do you know his values are that and if they are how do you know those words mean the same thing as the conventional western definition?

If those are not his values than why would he care what I said? I am very clearly talking as one American to another and am not going to devolve this discussion into some stupid pedantic talk over definitions. When someone is arguing like that, they clearly have nothing of value to argue.

 

[Blayt7hh]

stinking up the thread? you're out here callin ppl chuds lol

fkkk outta here.

choosing sides? bruh look at your post history in this thread.

you guys arent interested in discussion or reality. u need to understand something called nuance. look it up bigbrain.

I know what my post history is. I guarantee that you do not.

Dont want to be a chud? Don't type like one.

 

[PEB]

 

[Bagatur]

Putin too is talking about freedom and free democraric elections

no more Peskov and others are talking about there being no point in elections, when Putin clearly has a lot of support and will win overwhelmingly, just like in all previous elections. also, it is very expensive to conduct elections.
imagine talk like that in a country not populated by slaves.

 

[Strychnine]

no more Peskov and others are talking about there being no point in elections, when Putin clearly has a lot of support and will win overwhelmingly, just like in all previous elections. also, it is very expensive to conduct elections.
imagine talk like that in a country not populated by slaves.

I posted this up the thread. I know that some people will just say "NO WAY that happens in a free country like RUSSIA!", but I hope and pray that I'm wrong.

 

[PEB]

 

[SandisLL]

no more Peskov and others are talking about there being no point in elections, when Putin clearly has a lot of support and will win overwhelmingly, just like in all previous elections. also, it is very expensive to conduct elections.
imagine talk like that in a country not populated by slaves.

Putin still does have his friend's, now deceased Zirinovsky party too.
Zirinovsky while had been his opponent in presidental elections , his party supported " United Russia " in voting at municipality levels decisions etc + didn't had opposed in state level voting for important decisions.
Basically to attract more radical USSR and tanks in Berlin again fans...

 

[Denter]

Putin still does have his friend's, now deceased Zirinovsky party too.
Zirinovsky while had been his opponent in presidental elections , his party supported " United Russia " in voting at municipality levels decisions etc + didn't had opposed in state level voting for important decisions.
Basically to attract more radical USSR and tanks in Berlin again fans...

That guy was legitimately insane and it's kinda good he died right before all this kicked off.

 

[SandisLL]

That guy was legitimately insane and it's kinda good he died right before all this kicked off.

He attracked most radical voters in russia and will have followers. He was Putin's friend. Putin even had attended his funerals in person, not copy of Putin.

 

[SandisLL]

Any promise, arguments and agenda, signed treaties etc by Kremlin are fake and useless bullshit. They are using 600+ year old medieval rulers and drunk 15 y.o HS bully mentality + modern psychology and brainwashing.

Any promises and treaties signed by Kremlin since Lenin had died had been proved as lesser worth than peace of toilet paper already used .
Westerners are delusional and they on russia are laughing by reading and listening their dreams. Might also use vodka ofc to have more fun about delusional victims thinking that russia doesn't have street thug like 15 y.o HS bully and 600+ y.o monarchy imperialists mentality.

Last rulers trustable for west in Russia were Tzar Nicolas II and Lenin.
Last rulers where you might had trusted treaties signed by them.

When Stalin took office russia had turned into empire of lie ( as Reagan properly had pointed cos obivious reason cos payment for Lend Lease west had get was attempt to take West Berlin and Korean War + nukes in China and huge propaganda against west.
For a reason they still are calling westerners as weak idiots and dreamers.

 

[SandisLL]

Russian Federation btw multiple times had broken treaty with NATO signed by Yeltzin, Medvedev and Putin... to inform partners about large scale military operations conducted outside of Russian Federation. .
So all previous agrreements are void automatically.
Including promise not to station troops in East Germany.
Empire of lies Russia.

Before war 2022 th both Russia and Ukraine had partner status for NATO.

 

[TheGreatA]

so the war is just fizzling out or something? I keep seeing a whole lot of news about stuff that's not happening

Just a useless waste of lives at this point. It has been clear for about a year that neither side can make any kind of significant gains.

 

[SandisLL]

I do know that to discuss with Kremlin's idiots is useless thing and I don't have time to waste with trolls doing their nasty job.

One example: then President of Russian Federation, NATO partner country didn't had informed " trustable partners and friends about invasion in Georgia.
BTW then POTUS and France had more balls to pressure drunk Medvedev than now west might do with more weak idiot in Putin.

I also know why west fears that Putin will be removed and for a reason. Best sanctions on Russia that might had been applied are Putin+ Patrushev+ Gerasimov and Shoigu plus some bunch with impactful dreamers.

 

[PEB]

According to a report China with Iran have shipped 100's of millions of dollars in drones to Russia. Apparently there is a loophold or China claiming they did not break any export rules. But here is the huge issue China basically admitted they did ship drones or parts. Time to put a stop to this western technology getting in the hands of Russia!

Ukraine took apart a Russian drone an saw the western made parts.

 

[SandisLL]

According to a report China with Iran have shipped 100's of millions of dollars in drones to Russia. Apparently there is a loophold or China claiming they did not break any export rules. But here is the huge issue China basically admitted they did ship drones or parts. Time to put a stop to this western technology getting in the hands of Russia!

Ukraine took apart a Russian drone an saw the western made parts.

From chinesse drones thus far it looks more like Ali Express type retail civilian consumer stuff , in some cases after recieved : doctored to make jamming lesser effective etc...
Iranian drones : death " motorbikes " and russia is building factory to manufacture these and Lukasheko too ....

 

[Rod1]

Russia’s Lavrov says West needs continual reminder of risks of nuclear war
Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov says US and NATO risk ‘a situation of direct armed confrontation of nuclear powers’.

No i aint saying all gun lovers got small dong. I took a shot at Lavrov

Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that possession of nuclear weapons protects Russia from security threats and that Moscow continually reminded the West of the risk of a nuclear conflict.

Lavrov’s comments are the latest reference by Russian officials to their country’s nuclear weapons arsenal, a rhetoric of military escalation by Moscow that has gained tempo and frequency since Russian forces invaded Ukraine last year.

Last month, former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Moscow would have to use a nuclear weapon if Ukraine’s counteroffensive against Russian troops was a success.

“The possession of nuclear arms is today the only possible response to some of the significant external threats to the security of our country,” Lavrov said in an interview for the state-owned magazine, The International Affairs, published early on Saturday on the foreign ministry website.

Lavrov said that the United States and NATO military alliance members risk ending up in “a situation of direct armed confrontation of nuclear powers”.

“We believe such a development should be prevented. That’s why we have to remind about the existence of high military and political risks and send sobering signals to our opponents,” Lavrov said.

NATO members and the US are Ukraine’s staunchest supporters and the largest providers of military aid in its war against Russia.

US President Joe Biden has called a threat of Russia using tactical nuclear weapons “real”. NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said this week that the Western military alliance has not detected any changes to Russia’s nuclear force stance, and therefore, NATO did not need to reciprocate in its nuclear posture.

On Thursday, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s closest allies, warned that he would use the nuclear weapons that Russia had deployed in his country if faced with external aggression.

“There can be only one threat – aggression against our country. If aggression against our country starts from Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, we will respond instantly with everything we have,” Lukashenko said in an interview.

Washington, DC-based think tank, the Institute for the Study of War, said earlier this year that Russia’s increasing nuclear war rhetoric was part of an “information operation” focused on discouraging Ukraine and its Western supporter.

“Russian invocations of nuclear threats and nuclear doctrine are part of an information operation meant to discourage Ukraine and the West but do not represent any material Russian intent to employ nuclear weapons,” the think tank said in an assessment.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...ds-continual-reminder-of-risks-of-nuclear-war

 

[Rod1]

No kidding... it's bizarre and honestly, I think it's sorta a mental illness issue / highlighting some mental illness.

Its just sheer resentment against their lot in life.