International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

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While captured russian equipment yeah, in some cases was very modern versions, like these some T-90 versions produced recently....
Pantsirj produced recently and in version not for export....
 
Fun fact, the bomb that went off in Russia, was at a building that the PAK DA was being built
 
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Is China promising something in return that Ukraine doesn't get F16's before the end of the year? What would be the reason they have not received them yet? Then the word that China blocked Intel's purchase of Tower Semiconductor. The Israeli based company for 4.6 billion backdoor bs from Government officials?

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Ukraine will not be able to use U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets in 2023, air force spokesperson Yuriy Ihnat told Ukrainian television Wednesday night, according to Reuters.

"It's already obvious we won't be able to defend Ukraine with F-16 fighter jets during this autumn and winter," Ihnat reportedly said in a joint telethon broadcast by Ukrainian channels.

Ukraine has long been lobbying Western allies for the war planes, and while U.S. President Joe Biden agreed to training Ukrainian pilots in May, no timeline has been set for delivery of the aircraft.

Meanwhile, state media in North Korea reported there was a "military cooperation plan" agreed by Kim Jong Un and Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu when the minister visited North Korea last month.

Shoigu visited North Korea in late July for the 70th anniversary of the end of the Korean War, celebrated in North Korea as "Victory Day.""
 
Another Alligator down. Pretty damn long shot, must be way beyond 5km as I count about 17s flight time.



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Denter said:
I think the evidence is clear that the Russian operatives came in a few months after the uprising started. It obviously would have failed had they not supported it, but it definitely started off organically- normal civilians were storming police stations and the like, disarming cops, putting up barricades.
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i don't think that's correct. IIRC, russia was sending in paid hooligans to do that shit, same as they do in Moldova today.
 
captured nato equipment displayed in moscow



good to see they were not all destroyed and serve some purpose after all
 
AWilder said:
i don't think that's correct. IIRC, russia was sending in paid hooligans to do that shit, same as they do in Moldova today.
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Approx like this.

Mechanism how to " take " for example small city a bit more complicated....

You have for example city with 3000 inhabitants.
Establish some agent network, like you find some collaborant, he finds some local hooligans, brainwash them and pay them... In poor cities is easier to hire them.
Then send in some batch with hooligans from outside too and ...create mesh ....
When enough ppl had run from city, send in " green men " units....
Then create more mesh ....

Later send " saviours " as opratives etc.
After such mesh in city will remain maybe 1000 or 2000 inhabitants....


Then install collaborant as ruler in this small city, he and agent will pick some small team with usable ppl and install " local administration ".
Not statisfied with new order kick out from city or lock in basements.

After this create election comitee and vuala, referendum in city might be conducted.
Votes counters ofc aprroved by kgb.

Like this is scheme how they might easily to deal with small cities and villages...
 
Retired US General Ben Hodges says the US and Germany do not truly want Ukraine to win and that's why they don't give ATACMS. And restricting attacks to inside Ukraine.

Timestamped at 9:31.

 
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PEB said:
Is China promising something in return that Ukraine doesn't get F16's before the end of the year? What would be the reason they have not received them yet? Then the word that China blocked Intel's purchase of Tower Semiconductor. The Israeli based company for 4.6 billion backdoor bs from Government officials?

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Ukraine will not be able to use U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets in 2023, air force spokesperson Yuriy Ihnat told Ukrainian television Wednesday night, according to Reuters.

"It's already obvious we won't be able to defend Ukraine with F-16 fighter jets during this autumn and winter," Ihnat reportedly said in a joint telethon broadcast by Ukrainian channels.

Ukraine has long been lobbying Western allies for the war planes, and while U.S. President Joe Biden agreed to training Ukrainian pilots in May, no timeline has been set for delivery of the aircraft.

Meanwhile, state media in North Korea reported there was a "military cooperation plan" agreed by Kim Jong Un and Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu when the minister visited North Korea last month.

Shoigu visited North Korea in late July for the 70th anniversary of the end of the Korean War, celebrated in North Korea as "Victory Day.""
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what are they going to do with F-16's? Look at them stored in some makeshift hanger disguised as a parking garage, waiting to be blown TF up by the Russians???
 
Fergelmince said:
what are they going to do with F-16's? Look at them stored in some makeshift hanger disguised as a parking garage, waiting to be blown TF up by the Russians???
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I mean they'll be stationed in the west side of the country out of Russian range like the rest of their airforce?

Beyond the opening salvos, Russia hasn't had much success targeting the Ukrainian airforce on the ground.
 
Hog-train said:
US General Ben Hodges says the US and Germany do not truly want Ukraine to win and that's why they don't give ATACMS.

Timestamped at 9:31.

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Huh?

That's not what he said? He said they don't want to openly say they want Ukraine to win and gave reasons he thinks they have reservations. They're concerned over nuclear escalation and concerned about the aftermath of a Russian regime collapse.

Also he's retired, so I think that's important for you to note here since he's not involved with any decisions currently.
 
Hog-train said:
US General Ben Hodges says the US and Germany do not truly want Ukraine to win and that's why they don't give ATACMS.

Timestamped at 9:31.

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Thus far all supplies confirmed this opinion....

Looks that west and east wants russia to win...partially , i.e to keep part of grabbed lands.

There a lot of things not only about these missiles...
 
Rational Poster said:
Huh?

That's not what he said? He said they don't want to openly say they want Ukraine to win and gave reasons he thinks they have reservations. They're concerned over nuclear escalation and concerned about the aftermath of a Russian regime collapse.

Also he's retired, so I think that's important for you to note here since he's not involved with any decisions currently.
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I mean I paraphrased, but that's pretty much the same thing to me. They don't really want Ukraine to win, but don't want them to lose either.

They're completely hamstringing Ukraine by saying don't use our weapons to attack inside Russia.
 
Hog-train said:
I mean I paraphrased, but that's pretty much the same thing to me. They don't really want Ukraine to win, but don't want them to lose either.

They're completely hamstringing Ukraine by saying don't use our weapons to attack inside Russia.
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But it's not the same thing. Seems like western countries have a lot of reservations as to the aftermath of this whole thing, which seems pretty reasonable.
 
Hog-train said:
I mean I paraphrased, but that's pretty much the same thing to me. They don't really want Ukraine to win, but don't want them to lose either.

They're completely hamstringing Ukraine by saying don't use our weapons to attack inside Russia.
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These are just excuses.

They looks that always wanted russia partially to win.
Btw not only about long range missiles there is talk.

They didn't had supplied most suitable weapons in time and clear example:
Germany easily sent Patriot battery that costs really a lot.
While refused to allow re export cluster ammo long ago manufactured in Germany and sold long ago. This had 0 expenses for their taxpayers.
Germany too during Cold War manufactured cluster ammo and might had inspected basements and ...yeah.

Also Germany easily signs relatively huge sums for financial support and provided 2 expensive IRIS-T SAM batteries...
While doesn't provide Taurus cruise missiles.

Diffence - IRIS-T and it's missiles are fresh stuff and does cost damn a lot.

Taurus missiles had been produced relatively long ago and anyway scheduled to be replaced.
 
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