International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

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ferrisjso said:
They received Russian ASSISTANCE. Wher'd the Ukranians get all the weapons you love so much? The West. Does that the Ukranians don't exist?

Big countrys support various succession movements covertly and overtly. That does not mean the movements they are supporting aren't real.
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You know jack shit about history or anything at all about this conflict. Rus didn't 'assist' any bs in donbass, Rus initiated, sponsored and carried itself the armed conflict in the east with their own people from the head down to the lowest echelon since 2014. (Using all the criminals it liberated from the occupied prisons in the east). Dpr/lpr was basically a Kremlin sponsored structure of theives killing each other to get a chance to steal something once in power. Regular people were never asked if they want a never ending war with the authorities of their own country. And Donbass wasn't more pro-rus than Kharkiv or Odessa where Rus tried to do the same thing as it did in Donbass but failed due to bad logistics. You are nothing but a swallower of Kremlin propaganda. Understand in your little head that being pro-rus prior to 2014 wasn't neccesarily viewed in Kyiv as a bad thing. Pro-rus population doesn't always mean pro-war oriented. Most of the russian speaking ukrainians today hate Rus the most due to the destruction it has brought to them. What Rus has made sure of, is it totally destroyed the normal life of russian speaking ukrainians in the east and it continues to do so at a great pace. Nobody has killed more russians and russian speaking people than Putin since Stalin.
 
Limbo Pete said:
Now, there is actually imo a very very good point here to be made, and i've seen you brush up against it before. And it doesn't take a historian, fake or not, to see that our own history of fostering coups and other bullshit should warrant extended conversations about double standards, subversion of the democratic process, and humanitarian crisis caused/engineered by deliberate geopolitical destabilization. Frankly, we pretty much ruined Latin America, or tried to, and there are major parallels between 70 years of direct US involvement in Latin America and Russian imperialist aggression in eastern Europe. But for some reason you can't seem to hold both of those turds in your hand at the same time without wanted to throw one and chow down on the other.
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The "some reason" is you're holding me up to values I have not expressed my support of especially not as a priority. I'm mad at the US coups because they overthrew my ideological peers and made the world a worse place according to my world view not because I believe in representative democracy and the sanctity of borders. My sense of right and wrong is not defined by following international law and I've never postured that it was. I am not an institutionalist I am an ideologue.

I want geopolitical destabilization because I do not support the current order thus I see it as a good thing. That is one of my main motives for supporting the Russians.
 
ferrisjso said:
The reason is you're holding me up to values I have not expressed my support of especially not as a priority. I'm mad at the US coups because they overthrew my ideological peers and made the world a worse place according to my world view not because I believe in representative democracy and the sanctity of borders. My sense of right and wrong is not defined by following international law and I've never postured that it was. I am not an institutionalist I am an ideologue.

I want geopolitical destabilization because I do not support the current order thus I see it as a good thing. That is one of my main motives for supporting the Russians.
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My god what a post
 
ferrisjso said:
The "some reason" is you're holding me up to values I have not expressed my support of especially not as a priority. I'm mad at the US coups because they overthrew my ideological peers and made the world a worse place according to my world view not because I believe in representative democracy and the sanctity of borders. My sense of right and wrong is not defined by following international law and I've never postured that it was. I am not an institutionalist I am an ideologue.

I want geopolitical destabilization because I do not support the current order thus I see it as a good thing. That is one of my main motives for supporting the Russians.
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ferrisjso said:
The "some reason" is you're holding me up to values I have not expressed my support of especially not as a priority. I'm mad at the US coups because they overthrew my ideological peers and made the world a worse place according to my world view not because I believe in representative democracy and the sanctity of borders. My sense of right and wrong is not defined by following international law and I've never postured that it was. I am not an institutionalist I am an ideologue.

I want geopolitical destabilization because I do not support the current order thus I see it as a good thing. That is one of my main motives for supporting the Russians.
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You're not a person to be taken seriously.
 
ferrisjso said:
The "some reason" is you're holding me up to values I have not expressed my support of especially not as a priority. I'm mad at the US coups because they overthrew my ideological peers and made the world a worse place according to my world view not because I believe in representative democracy and the sanctity of borders. My sense of right and wrong is not defined by following international law and I've never postured that it was. I am not an institutionalist I am an ideologue.

I want geopolitical destabilization because I do not support the current order thus I see it as a good thing. That is one of my main motives for supporting the Russians.
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Wow....you are a special kind of sparkle...
 
ferrisjso said:
The "some reason" is you're holding me up to values I have not expressed my support of especially not as a priority. I'm mad at the US coups because they overthrew my ideological peers and made the world a worse place according to my world view not because I believe in representative democracy and the sanctity of borders. My sense of right and wrong is not defined by following international law and I've never postured that it was. I am not an institutionalist I am an ideologue.

I want geopolitical destabilization because I do not support the current order thus I see it as a good thing. That is one of my main motives for supporting the Russians.
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Lol, your willing to admit this?
 
Joe said:
Could have just said im an edgy contrarian. I dont like the popular thing. Which is how most of the people who support russia are.
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It's wild you're in such a bubble you truly believe that my position isn't common.
 
Ruthless Ryan said:
Human beings are the worst animal on earth, it doesnt surprise me people would support a country who invades,kills, rapes, destroys cities , bomb civilians ,blow up dams etc, etc....people are sick
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People who support the US regime are awful I know.
 
ferrisjso said:
Western Ukranians did(with CIA support) consistant with their voting patterns. You'll have no problem acknowledging that but easts political opinions are imaginary. When did the Donbass co sign said coup? Oh wait they didn't they staged an armed uprising you claim was just a Russian theatrical production.
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There was nothing organic about Donbas war. Russia brought its operatives to destabilize the region. Russia then bankrolled and recruited more people to push this war.

Wanting closer ties with Russia pre 2014, getting cheaper oil and gas, etc is not the same thing as supporting Russian invasion either overt or covert.

You're like a trope movie character who takes some strange position to convince others he's smart. It is epicly backfiring here.
 
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