International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

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"A lie can go around the world before the truth gets its pants on."

- Mark Twain
 
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San Marino said:
Why is that?
It does not fit what you believe is happening on the ground?
Only information you and @Limbo Pete believe in is the truth, right?
Yeah, the same old story, if it does not fit my narrative, it must be fake news.
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It's not that we question your intentions, it's that we observe your incompetence
 
Limbo Pete said:
It's not that we question your intentions, it's that we observe your incompetence.
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My incompetence? What about your incompetence? Mr. self-righteous. Plus, all the 'venom' you and others never fail to spew towards other members in this thread. Can't take someone having a difference of opinion. Insults that have nothing to do with the topic, but you just love to throw them around. I know your views mate. We all do. It is like a broken record. To think you were a moderator here on Sherdog at one point.
 
San Marino said:
My incompetence? What about your incompetence? Mr. self-righteous. Plus, all the 'venom' you and others never fail to spew towards other members in this thread. Can't take someone having a difference of opinion. Insults that have nothing to do with the topic, but you just love to throw them around. I know your views mate. We all do. It is like a broken record. To think you were a moderator here on Sherdog at one point.
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Thing is, not all opinions are created equal. Some are bad, some are really bad, and some (such as yours re: Ukraine) are spectacularly bad
 
San Marino said:
Why is that?
It does not fit what you believe is happening on the ground?
Only information you and @Limbo Pete believe in is the truth, right?
Yeah, the same old story, if it does not fit my narrative, it must be fake news.
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the tank numbers are insanely high. they never had that many tanks...


oh await, those are Russian losses...


my bad SM.
 
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San Marino said:
Yeah. I thought those western tanks were going to make all the difference in this conflict. That is what you guys were saying. How western tanks were invincible and were going to kick some major Russian ass in Ukraine. The idea is to go around the minefield not through it. I think the smarter posters in this thread already knew this was going to be an issue before these tanks were ever delivered.
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San Marino said:
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Yeah. Make me shut up bright boy.
Are you stupid? Read back through the pages here on V12 and V11. I'm not doing the work for you.
Find me the posts where someone is saying western tanks are so much better than Russian tanks. It is all over the place is it not?
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So which is it?
Much better, or invincible?

Do you understand the difference between much better and invincible?

Yes, you will find lots of posts and videos in this thread about Western tanks being better than Russia T72 or what ever older shit they are using in Ukraine.
No, you will not find lots of posts about how Western tanks are invincible.
YOU made that claim, YOU back it up.
Dont tell people to prove your claims. Back them up your self or dont post them.
 
Ruthless Ryan said:
No, as usual you are doing your spin and lies. UKR had no modern tanks as Russia has the T90. What has UKR been using all this time? I'm guessing T72 variants and T80's?
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Ukr had very low number of modernised tanks like T-84 and modernised T-80....

Majority of Ukr tanks were T-64 and T-72 produced in 1970 ies - 1980 ies...
T-80 produced in 1980 ies....

They ofc had nice PR about upgrades etc however in reality number of tanks deFacto upgraded in 1993 - 2021 th was low....
This too btw is example why there are claims that Ukraine didn't homework 1992-2022 th.
 
Battles tank vs tank in this war were rare.

One reason is because Ukr usually are avoiding direct fight vs russian tanks...
Because they didn't had developed any new APFSDS " dart " cartridge since fall of USSR...
Russia did and their APFSDS ammo does have better characteristics , i.e offers to penterate more armour in longer distance than ammo Ukr had...
 
Despite all these soviet and post soviet era ATGMS usable by tank....

Main tool for plain battle tank vs tank face to face is...APFSDS round.
Cos you might press " trigger button " and immediately start to relocate your tank.

APFSDS round does have " dart " velocity 1400-1880 m/s.
So travel time for 2000 m distance will be short.
+ they doesn't need guidance.

ATGMs does have velocity 200-600, in rare models 660 m/s.
+ they does need guidance....
Travel time for 2000 m distance is relatively long....

* so if you will fire face to face ATGM on tank from 2000 m distance, they will have time to fire on your tank and start to relocate their tank....
+ decoys and active protection like dazzlers and jammers will be launched ....and they does have effect on ATGMS ( depends from model of missile and protection system type ) ....and doesn't have any effect on unguided " dart " like APFSDS ....
 
Yeah, protection systems and missiles are different.

Laser beam detectors are absolutely useless if optical rangefinding and guidance is used. So, welcome to party, it is useless if old type missiles and guidance systems will be used.

Also, IF near tank is some object suitable to use on it rangefinder and guidance beam...
Then operator might decide to " aim " not on tank but on this object and to switch beam on tank in last moment.
To reduce warning alert ON time till....vuala....impact ....
 
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