International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

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San Marino said:
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Yeah. Make shut up bright boy.
Are you stupid? Read back through the pages here on V12 and V11. I'm not doing the work for you.
Find me the posts where someone is saying western tanks are so much better than Russian tanks. It is all over the place is it not?
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Your English translator is spitting out gibberish.
 
LangfordBarrow said:
If the US states that they mean internationally recognized borders.
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Btw is there something like article in which borders US recognises Russia? I am pretty sure they recognize Kuril Island as Japan and I suspect in all territorial disputes they doesn’t support Russia (I remember Russia has territorial disputes also with S. Korea, Taiwan, Estonia and Abkhazia, which hardly anyone recognizes).
 
Cole train said:


https://www.businessinsider.com/ukr...red-vehicles-lost-or-damaged-2023-7?r=US&IR=T


Article uses oryx as a source so high chance its bs

(I really hate this trend of journalists using random internet sources as a basis for their article, oryx is not good enough for pro journalism imo)

Usa will likely replace any losses though
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Almost no one posts the conditions of the Russia military heavy weapons? I hear they have blown through over 5000 tanks, 120,000 personal and are blowing through 60,000 artillery shells a day. They have dug in positions and are harden positions by are taking heavy loses yet no one talks about these numbers we just hear about US Bradley APC's being lost.
 
A lot of Americans fighting a lot of English's speaking Americans.

Double post my bad.
 
PEB said:
Almost no one posts the conditions of the Russia military heavy weapons? I hear they have blown through over 5000 tanks, 120,000 personal and are blowing through 60,000 artillery shells a day. They have dug in positions and are harden positions by are taking heavy loses yet no one talks about these numbers we just hear about US Bradley APC's being lost.
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. Russia loses 400 more soldiers and 21 artillery systems in war against Ukraine | Ukrainska Pravda
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Ruthless Ryan said:
I'm not sold on that as they lost at least 12 pilots and 7 aircraft which has high value at this point in the war. Not to mention this was way to embarrassing for Putin to deal with. And where is Prig? we see a pic of him wearing his undies in tent looking not very happy....I'm thinking Putin duped him in a "meeting" as not much has been hear from Wagner group.
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we will never know. but looks like Prigozhin is still alive, while so many people have mistaken a window for a door for doing much less.
and the losses? they lose more every week.
 
Bagatur said:
my office mate and I briefly discussed this coup attempt after it happened. she is from Turkey and said that it was a false flag coup in order to oust potential traitors and "indecisives", similar to a fake coup in Turkey a few years ago, which allowed Erdogan get rid of the opposition. I didnt think that was the case and said "lets see if Prigozhin is still alive in a week". but seeing how he is still alive, wagner soldiers are getting a pass, while many high-ranking officers are getting detained and/or arrested, it seems more and more like it was staged to remove the opposition in the military.
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One thing i found especially interesting is the weird conspiracy theory that it was set up in ordner to subtly move Wagner into Belarus to get close to Kiev. While i don't believe this for a second, i am wondering why the russians didn't attack through this route to begin with. It would basically be an exact replica of the "Schlieffen-Plan" the germans had for capturing France in World War 1. And while the Schlieffen-Plan backfired because of Belgium not being fond of the germans marching through their territory, i wonder what is stopping the russians from trying it. Does Lukashenko not like the idea or is it a strategically bad plan in this instance to begin with?
 
Patrick Jane said:
One thing i found especially interesting is the weird conspiracy theory that it was set up in ordner to subtly move Wagner into Belarus to get close to Kiev. While i don't believe this for a second, i am wondering why the russians didn't attack through this route to begin with. It would basically be an exact replica of the "Schlieffen-Plan" the germans had for capturing France in World War 1. And while the Schlieffen-Plan backfired because of Belgium not being fond of the germans marching through their territory, i wonder what is stopping the russians from trying it. Does Lukashenko not like the idea or is it a strategically bad plan in this instance to begin with?
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well, Putin is 4D chess grand master - you never know what his game is ;)
 
Last post in Rus voenkor telegram:

Panic cannot be spread. How can you not misinform society. Therefore, I am stoic about information about shell hunger.

Reports go upstairs, but are dissolved in reports, telephones, disappear in staff papers.

The officer put a report in a folder to the secretary of the commander of the formation. Time passes, and a miracle happens - once - and the report disappears, as if it were not there! And no one remembers paper. The result is not a report, but a one-way reconnaissance exit, such an expedition to the Sannikov land. Mystic, and only.

Therefore, I have no right to write where and how much "they don't give meat to tigers", although there is such information - both in Donetsk, in Zaporozhye, and in Kherson directions.

I will only say one thing (without mentioning the military unit and positions): in some places the daily consumption of ammunition for the AGS is 16 rounds. Once again: the daily allowance is 16! For those who have not worked with the AGS, this is about a rattle for a couple of seconds, if so.

So judge for yourself whether someone on the front line is starving or not.
 
BlankaPresident said:
(On a side note: even if you did convince me of the legitimacy of Russian position, I still wouldn't side with it.

After 4 years of Bolsonaro, I will never ever even tolerate any of their far-right, authoritatian ilk. Him, Putin, Trump, Le Pen, Orbán and all that trash around the world can go fuck off in hell.)
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Bolsanaro is an abysmal human being who signed humanitys death warrant. Rumor has it that the Amazon has been functionally destroyed as a carbon sync and he's the man that made that happen. If humanity could sentence someone to the fate of Prometheus Bolsanaro would be worthy. People supporting him wants to make me vomit and we see quite a lot of them in these parts with the Brazilian MMAers. The thing that confuses me is here is that the US and the West are who made Bolsanaro possible. They created Pinochet they created the Argentian junta and they created Bolsanaro. Bolsanaro is not in Moscow he's in Miami(the fascist capital of the world) and the US is currently plotting to restore him to power the same thing they always do when Latin American people acheive anything resembling freedom. Western style democracy is what allowed someone like Bolsanaro to take power and it's going to allow him every oppurtunity to make a comeback.

Putin is siding with leftist separatist republics whereas Ukraine attacked these people and waged war on them for a decade and suppressed dissent.

Of course the US installed Yelstin and by extension eventually Putin in charge to stop Communists. But that was 25 years ago and Putin still did grow up in USSR. While he wasn't a good communist this war did start over the persecution of leftist socialist republics. I'm not going to wildy dispute someone calling him a fascist(Putin is not an ideological creature) I can see how someone can come to that conclusion but he is currently aligned with the CCP, he is aligned with Lula in BRICS(don't know your opinions on Lula) he is working to acheive multipolarity so the current order falls. This is why the left stands with him Russia is defending against the expansion and inevitability of the world that has ruined all of our lives.

I consider protecting real people from western capital to be more important than protecting imaginary borders which at the end of the day are a human construct. Border disputes are not inherently illegitamite because the existing order says they are.
 
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Bagatur said:
my office mate and I briefly discussed this coup attempt after it happened. she is from Turkey and said that it was a false flag coup in order to oust potential traitors and "indecisives", similar to a fake coup in Turkey a few years ago, which allowed Erdogan get rid of the opposition. I didnt think that was the case and said "lets see if Prigozhin is still alive in a week". but seeing how he is still alive, wagner soldiers are getting a pass, while many high-ranking officers are getting detained and/or arrested, it seems more and more like it was staged to remove the opposition in the military.
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There was more fighting than initially reported and Russian military lost men as did Wagner in their few clashes. I don't believe this for even a moment. Why would Priggy launch videos for months and months criticizing Russian brass and shaming Putin and leadership? If that was a false flag, it did a lot more harm than good.
 
ferrisjso said:
Bolsanaro is an abysmal human being who signed humanitys death warrant. Rumor has it that the Amazon has been functionally destroyed as a carbon sync and he's the man that made that happen. If humanity could sentence someone to the fate of Prometheus Bolsanaro would be worthy. People supporting him wants to make me vomit and we see quite a lot of them in these parts with the Brazilian MMAers. The thing that confuses me is here is that the US and the West are who made Bolsanaro possible. They created Pinochet they created the Argentian junta and they created Bolsanaro. Bolsanaro is not in Moscow he's in Miami(the fascist capital of the world) and the US is currently plotting to restore him to power the same thing they always do when Latin American people acheive anything resembling freedom. Western style democracy is what allowed someone like Bolsanaro to take power and it's going to allow him every oppurtunity to make a comeback.
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See, you're vaguely capable of forming a reasonable and accurate take on something, and then you go and throw any hope of that out the window and into a 30 story plunge
Putin is siding with leftist separatist republics whereas Ukraine attacked these people and waged war on them for a decade and suppressed dissent.

Of course the US installed Yelstin and by extension eventually Putin in charge to stop Communists. But that was 25 years ago and Putin still did grow up in USSR. While he wasn't a good communist this war did start over the persecution of leftist socialist republics. I'm not going to wildy dispute someone calling him a fascist(Putin is not an ideological creature) I can see how someone can come to that conclusion but he is currently aligned with the CCP, he is aligned with Lula in BRICS(don't know your opinions on Lula) he is working to acheive multipolarity so the current order falls. This is why the left stands with him Russia is defending the expansion and inevitability of the world that has ruined all of our lives.

I consider protecting real people from western capital to be more important than protecting imaginary borders which at the end of the day are a human construct. Border disputes are not inherently illegitimate because the existing order says they are.
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Putin is not trying to "achieve multipolarity", or any other such apologistic or romanticized nonsense. He's a mob boss trying to bully and extort everyone and everything he possibly can. Ukraine isn't somehow the victim of Western capital, whatever you even think that means, but rather in the unfortunate position of living next to an aggressive extortionist oligarchy ran by a guy that exists solely to enrich himself with as much power as he can possibly gobble down. It never ceases to amaze me how chuds like you can see Russia, in all its horror, and then look at Ukraine and be like well Ukraine has it coming because they should have let Russia conquer them in order to give the US a black eye. Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of Ukrainian children kidnapped and trafficked into some horrid fate in god-knows-where-Russia, and it's either radio silence, or endless squawking about the war in Iraq, Vietnam, etc. Your rhetoric does nothing to disguise the rank imperialist apologism that permeates absolutely everything stuck into the sympathetic orbit of Vladimir Putin. Frankly, sir, you disgust me.
 
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ferrisjso said:
Putin is siding with leftist separatist republics whereas Ukraine attacked these people and waged war on them for a decade and suppressed dissent.
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Sorry mate but you have no idea whatsoever on the nature of the conflict in the Donbass. There's nothing leftist or of any political meaning at all movement that ever existed in Donbass. Do you think Pushilin, Akhmetov, Girkin or Zakharchenko resemble a leftist ideology that defended it's place from Ukr? Most of dpr/lpr leaders have been already killed and 90% of the murders are done not by Kur but from other dpr/lpr members for the purpose of gaining power. Don't confuse a criminal structure with a political orientation. Don't confuse ideology with thievery, which is what they do and have done.
 
Octavian said:
There was more fighting than initially reported and Russian military lost men as did Wagner in their few clashes. I don't believe this for even a moment. Why would Priggy launch videos for months and months criticizing Russian brass and shaming Putin and leadership? If that was a false flag, it did a lot more harm than good.
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personally, I wouldnt "not believe anything for even a moment" in this war, especially anything coming from Putin's side.
 
Octavian said:
There was more fighting than initially reported and Russian military lost men as did Wagner in their few clashes. I don't believe this for even a moment. Why would Priggy launch videos for months and months criticizing Russian brass and shaming Putin and leadership? If that was a false flag, it did a lot more harm than good.
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Maybe and this is just a theory.....he was trying to justify a coup. Coups need a reason for people to sign on to them. The subtext of Progs rants was "all these people are incompetent if I was in charge this wouldn't be happening".
 
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