Social Roseanne tweets outrageously racist comment about former Obama staffer Valerie Jarrett

[ultramanhyata]

So 50% of America are Alt right? Your side is always bitching at us for painting people in broad strokes, but yet here you are doing the same thing.

You lack reading comprehension. Among other things.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

If this is what it took to get that abomination off TV again.. its a win.

There was a time when she was a very funny, dry, sarcastic comedian.
Probably still is though that ain't in evidence here

 

[nac386]

I have never liked her, and don't understand why she is so respected as a comedian/comedic writer within the comedy community. I love people like Norm MacDonald and Bill Burr, and they praise they hell out of her.

I thought the original Rosanne, despite being a bit more "real", was the worst out of the major 90's family sitcoms. I can't remember a time I ever laughed at a stand up joke she made or a scene she was in, in film/TV

I think it represented something unique at the time. There really weren't any working class, rough around the edges type of families on television at that point, especially not in a family where the wife was the shot-caller. It was a depiction of a reality that was common, but never represented. She actually reminded me a lot, in those days, of some of my relatives in South Jersey. Loud, in your face, rude but with a heart of gold, etc. That show also broke boundaries by having openly gay characters who were not caricatures, mainstream TVs first gay kiss, etc.

So I guess I understand the success of the original, and I understand what makes Roseanne a unique figure in comedy. It's not so much that she was a great comedian, but more that she was an original and somewhat fearless.

But she's not smart, never was. She was always a dumb person, as evidenced by the whacky relationship with Tom Arnold. She just did not have a Twitter account and a bunch of ignorant memes to read in the early 1990s.

 

[ultramanhyata]

It's not though, not with comedy. Comedy is literally special, and we need to treat comics like they are special.

I wish this were meant to be comedy. Because it's so pathetic it makes me chuckle.

 

[FacePunch]

Yea it obviously was, why is that so hard to admit? even if it wasn't a joke what about her free speech ?

You don't know what free speech means.

 

[nac386]

Yea it obviously was, why is that so hard to admit? even if it wasn't a joke what about her free speech ?

I don't understand how this type of post is still possible. How can people continuously say this, no matter how many times it is explained? It seems to be explained every single day on this forum, and I believe it's been explained in this very thread.

 

[ultramanhyata]

There was a time when she was a very funny, dry, sarcastic comedian.
Probably still is though that ain't in evidence here

"No excuses. But I was on Ambien."

This line would do a lot of losing MMA fighters proud.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I wish this were meant to be comedy. Because it's so pathetic it makes me chuckle.

I get his meaning though.
In the same way artists can work a canvas, comedians work words. Sometimes what comes out really resounds and not only produces admiration/laughs, but manages to go a little deeper inside us.
Lenny Bruce pissed people off but broke ground for what could be brought up for humor's sake and how. In this way, artists of all kinds change boundaries, and it's the reason they're some of the first up against the wall when strong man revolutions happen.

Comedians should, well, not get special treatment, but they stand apart like other artists. Without change progress isn't possible.
Pushing boundaries is our defense against the conformity factory.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

I don't understand how this type of post is still possible.

Collective IQ of people making that post would barely reach double digits.

 

[Darth_Inv1ctu5]

I don't believe a large portion of right wingers are racist. If you had to put a percentage on it, what percentage of right wingers do you believe are racist? How about left wing?

Also, that's the first time I've heard alt right described as the political equivalent of lite beer.

Off the bat, I'd say about a quarter of right-wingers are overtly or covertly racist. Probably 10% of left-wingers, mostly covertly or in denial about it. And when I refer to alt-right as lite (soda, not beer, but I guess it amounts to the same metaphor), I mean that the modifier "alt" was added initially in order to distinguish them from the more outwardly detestable segments of the right, but then ended up being applied for all of the right. Frankly, I've not heard a reference to the right, without alt- in any conversation unrelated to driving in at least a year.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

Bullshit has never been an effective strategy.
Not until DJT body-surfed into the WH on an ocean of bullshit.

Catch the wave.

Don't worry, there's no way he can win...

 

[ShadowRun]

You don't know what free speech means.

Fill me in, include the NFL kneeling protest with that equation as well DevilsLettuce

 

[Amerikuracana]

I just saw the lady Roseanne said that about. She has lighter skin than I do. Funny, it's the whiteness of her skin that really dies make her look like a planet of the apes character. They had white faces. She looks (really does) like an original POTA character because her face IS WHITE lol. Is she a Muslim? Too lazy to Google.

 

[FinalFight]

Nice of Joe Rogan to give that sack of trash a platform this Friday while the 500 cast and crew are left to wander in the wilderness.

Rogan will sympathize with her because he's referred to black people as apes before. And he's also a comedian so he thinks being a racist pos is fine if you claim it's just a joke.

I stopped giving any respect to Rogan many years ago and only watched his show once or twice for Joey Diaz.

 

[FacePunch]

Fill me in, include the NFL kneeling protest with that equation as well DevilsLettuce

It's pretty simple, but I'm not here to explain the basics of civics to idiots. Go read the 1st Amendment.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Off the bat, I'd say about a quarter of right-wingers are overtly or covertly racist. Probably 10% of left-wingers, mostly covertly or in denial about it. And when I refer to alt-right as lite (soda, not beer, but I guess it amounts to the same metaphor), I mean that the modifier "alt" was added initially in order to distinguish them from the more outwardly detestable segments of the right, but then ended up being applied for all of the right. Frankly, I've not heard a reference to the right, without alt- in any conversation unrelated to driving in at least a year.

The reason for that is that the alt- right has all but buried the sensible-right.

 

[ultramanhyata]

I get his meaning though.
In the same way artists can work a canvas, comedians work words. Sometimes what comes out really resounds and not only produces admiration/laughs, but manages to go a little deeper inside us.
Lenny Bruce pissed people off but broke ground for what could be brought up for humor's sake and how. In this way, artists of all kinds change boundaries, and it's the reason they're some of the first up against the wall when strong man revolutions happen.

Comedians should, well, not get special treatment, but they stand apart like other artists. Without change progress isn't possible.
Pushing boundaries is our defense against the conformity factory.

There's a difference between using racist jokes and words in a routine to help a crowd understand the absurdities of racism and doing it because you are actually pushing a racist ideology or trying to wound a person of color.

There's that famous line Chappelle said about quitting his show when he realized a lot of people were laughing at his stereotypical black characters for the wrong reasons and he didn't want to be responsible for further ingraining those stereotypes.

This doesn't mean I don't support the right of anyone to express whatever positions they want to in the public square. But, for better or worse, there will be repercussions in a marketplace.

 

[Harry Flashman]

 

[foxnoob]

Roseanne goes on a drug inspired rant and because of partisanship and tribalism, a lot of posters in here are finding ways to mitigate or agree with her comments instead of just dismissing them as the rants of a drug addled brain.

Kanye is gonna say some shit too. You should watch who you adopt just because they happen to have 1 opinion you share.

 

[woodguyatl]

Agreed that she was fired for a action.

That said, you highlighted a problematic area for me. Should employees be expected to agree with their employers. Are they not allowed to disagree with their company's "positions"? I feel like that can give large companies and corporations (and mom and pops too) too much power over their employees. That said,in places where speech like Barr's can be reasonably expected to be hurtful to the company's bottom line, I can agree with their reaction.

I don't really know where to draw the line, but I think it is wrong in most cases for a conservative employee to fire an employee if they find out they vote Democrat or vice versa. I agree with you that saying racist stuff to a customer ought to be a firable offense, but would you fire an employee because their online comments led you to believe they had racist views?

I would fire an employee who has racist views. For me, the risk that they would spill into the business in some way is too great. Racism, antisemitism, misogyny, homophobia and other beliefs are simply too toxic and like toxic substances should be actively avoided if you want a business to survive. These are the sort of things that I believe there is a clear wrong and right position. There are also a great many more things that reasonable people can disagree on that I would not fire someone for as long as they were not brought into the workplace in a way that reflects badly on my business or creates interpersonal problems.