Ronda's Real Competition: Double Standard in MMA

[HYBRID_CFC]

So who was the former stripper?

 

[JKS]

The rest are just as awful to be honest. For some (as you claim) to have 8+ years of experience and display such little technical ability is, to be frank, startling.

We are talking about the least skilled "pro athletes" to ever comprise a "pro sport league". It's embarrassing to watch, and for you to get any enjoyment out of it really exposes how low your standards are.

Seriously, for them to be that technically deficient (think Correia-Rousey, zingano-rousey) is absolutely shocking. It highlights the fact that this "sport" is not only attracting the literal bottom of the barrel in terms of athleticism but also in terms of mental capabilities.

Thanks for he opinion, but its not correct.

First, you have to consider that in womens sports you're not going to get the same technical ability as you do in male sports. Its not hard to see this if you watch soccer, basketball, boxing or any other sport.

Second, how many male mma fighters can you name that have fought for anywhere 8 to 12 years that also have bad bad technical ability in certain aspects of their game??? Dozens up dozens

Third, they are not god awful, there is a lot of skilled, technical fighters in striking or grappling in the womens top 10, especially at FW.

 

[ForbiddenSun]

Only morons say Ronda is fighting soccer moms, strippers and accountants, this is something that a boxing promoter recently said. Ronda is fighting girls that have been fighting pro for 5-8 years. BTW, Carmouche was in the marines for years.

And I dont accept the can argument either, Ronda has 12 fights and most of her opponents have more then her. She just happens to beat them and is better plain and simple.

 

[Ths808IsCatchy]

I didn't read a single word

lol neither did I

this thread is shit

 

[Stan]

Sherdog forums has been over run by UFC shills starting and replying on the majority of Rousey posts. Rousey's only challenger is a champion in Invicta that's only 1 weightclass up. When the fans of the sport stop buying PPV's with Rousey on them fighting inferior opponents that last less than a minute then and only then will the UFC make the fight true fans of the sport want to see.

 

[ForbiddenSun]

lol neither did I

this thread is shit

^^^
Says thread is shit, didn't read a word...

Don't worry bro, come back when you can read complete sentences

 

[Andrei Orlovski]

Ronda's division is the worst ever. Atleast early UFC had some specialists that were good at something. Even with Holm being a specialist, she doesn't have much power in her hands even by WMMA standarts. She has 9 finishes in 33 boxing wins, that's called horrible finishing rate in boxing. Ronda's opponents are so much weaker physically she can toss them on their head any time she wants to.
Pretty laughable how Ronda won ''best fighter'' over Floyd. Floyd beating Maidana and Manny is better Ronda will ever do in her MMA career, even if she beats up Cyborg.
Can't compare hobby fighters like Bethe, that got into MMA like few years ago without any combat sports background with a legend like Manny Pacquiao. I don't care how Floyd has won that.

 

[Better Every Day]

Lets compare another sport to mma. the nba and wnba.

No, let's not... That comparison has been done countless times on Sherdog, and rebutted countless times. It's stale.

The biggest difference between men and women in mma, is that men have been doing some sort of martial art their entire lives. Women haven't.

Ages at which some UFC women's division fighters began to train martial arts:

Tecia Torres, age 5.
Rose Namajunas, age 5.
Michelle Waterson, age 10.
Ronda Rousey, age 11.
Cat Zingano, age 12.
Joanne Calderwood, age 13.
Sara McMann, age 14.

I haven't found an exact number for Alex Chambers, but she has said that she began "as a child" and "at a young age".

 

[ForbiddenSun]

Ronda's division is the worst ever. Atleast early UFC had some specialists that were good at something. Even with Holm being a specialist, she doesn't have much power in her hands even by WMMA standarts. She has 9 finishes in 33 boxing wins, that's called horrible finishing rate in boxing. Ronda's opponents are so much weaker physically she can toss them on their head any time she wants to.
Pretty laughable how Ronda won ''best fighter'' over Floyd. Floyd beating Maidana and Manny is better Ronda will ever do in her MMA career, even if she beats up Cyborg.
Can't compare hobby fighters like Bethe, that got into MMA like few years ago without any combat sports background with a legend like Manny Pacquiao. I don't care how Floyd has won that.

Who compared Bethe to Manny? Not me. And Ronda won the ESPY before she fought Bethe. God who am I debating? Do your homework

Zingano, Meisha, McMann, Davis, Kaufman and Holm are 6 of Ronda

 

[Brother Numsi]

Solid points.

I thinks it's all of the above. Honda is that good and her opponents are good fighters just not on her level.

To me, Zigano had the best chance of anybody so far to give Honda a good fight. And would have if she hadn't acted like a dullard and take off running into an Olympic judoka who has been tossing people all of her life.

I think it's just the media hype that comes along with being Honda. You know she has weaknesses but no one has had the talent to exploit it even a little bit so far. Not her fault though.

 

[SovietMusic]

Comparing records doesn't mean shit when you have cans fighting cans.

The talent pool in WMMA is amateur AT BEST.

 

[ForbiddenSun]

Comparing records doesn't mean shit when you have cans fighting cans.

The talent pool in WMMA is amateur AT BEST.

Fascinating analysis. So Zingano, Meisha, Holm, Nunes, McMann, Davis and Kaufman are cans with over 80 wins between them? Do tell...

 

[ForbiddenSun]

So you pick on the one fighter that stands out as inexperienced. What about Davis who's got over 20 pro fights and has been fightig 8+ years, a BJJ black belt. What about Tate who Ronda beat twice that also has 20+ fights and fought 8 years, what about Kaufman who has 15 fights and been fighting for over 5 years, what about Kaufman who has 20+ fights and been doing mma for nearly 10 years?

Even fighters like Zingano and McMann who have around 10 fights still are formidable opponents. Cat beat everyone ranked she fought by finish including Tate and McMann has a very strong background in wrestling.

You pick the one opponent that had 3 years of experience to make your point, what about the rest??

Exactly bro. The haters never provide facts or analysis it's just "this person sucks so everyone sucks". It's amateurish.

Cat Zingano is considered a can now on these boards now after one loss LOL. She battered Nunes and left Meisha's face rearranged

 

[chefdiablo]

You're too emotionally invested in this. I mean I know you're her coach, and hope one day you'll miraculously break out of the friend zone Edmond, but you shouldn't let what people say on sherdog get to you so much.

With that said Bethe was the worst fighter to fight for a belt. It was actually a little embarrassing to talk about the fight to non fans. It meant explaining that a title contender for a high profile fight had:
-No martial arts background.
-No sports background.
-No general fitness background, or record of any kind of athletic achievement.

Then I had to explain that she worked in a office full time, and took up the sport 3 years ago to get fit but somehow due to the lack of competition was fighting on PPV for a belt. It's pretty ridiculous when you say that all out loud.

This.

Most of these people should say it out loud 2 or 3 times just so they can hear it over and over again. Hopefully the absurdity of it will sink in.

 

[tenniswhiz]

What some of you don't realize is that calling someone a "top 10 win" means absolutely nothing sometimes.
In WMMA BW, a Top 10 win means very little.

The Top 10 system is flawed in general, but at least in a more established and competitive division, a guy has to at least do SOMETHING to make it on to a standard Top 10 list.

In women's BW, the division didn't start that long ago (in the UFC) and it seems like half the people who joined it were suddenly Top 10.
I haven't seen pro level skills (on all fronts) from most of them.
I've rolled with girls who have blue/purple belts and I know what that is like.
I've seen the punches these girls throw and most of the striking is just garbage.

 

[ForbiddenSun]

This.

Most of these people should say it out loud 2 or 3 times just so they can hear it over and over again. Hopefully the absurdity of it will sink in.

Hong Man Choi is 2-4 with a win over Jose Canseco. That is a win on Fedor's resume who is considered by many in here the GOAT

Say that over and over and let the absurdity sink in.

I can cherry pick all day too.

 

[chefdiablo]

Hong Man Choi is 2-4 with a win over Jose Canseco. That is a win on Fedor's resume who is considered by many in here the GOAT

Say that over and over and let the absurdity sink in.

I can cherry pick all day too.

nothing to do with cherry picking.

Bethe sucks, there is no competition left for Ronda right now except for trumped up fighters below top ten and rematches.

Spin your shit any way you want.

Ronda is at the top and there is no one anywhere near her level.

Keep on buying it though. I am happy you have money to burn and zero sense of value.

I will watch the 30 second GIF for free about ten minutes later.

 

[ForbiddenSun]

nothing to do with cherry picking.

Bethe sucks, there is no competition left for Ronda right now except for trumped up fighters below top ten and rematches.

Spin your shit any way you want.

Ronda is at the top and there is no one anywhere near her level.

Keep on buying it though. I am happy you have money to burn and zero sense of value.

I will watch the 30 second GIF for free about ten minutes later.

I don't disagree that Ronda is better than her competition, but completey disagree that Meisha, Zingano, Davis, Holm, Nunes, Kaufman and McMann are cans. Ronda is a dominant champion, similar to Anderson, GSP, Jon Jones, Aldo and RDA who were a level above their competition and went undefeated for YEARS. Nobody was on their level either, there was no real competition for them, it was them and everyone else.

There's on obvious double standard with anything Ronda Rousey

 

[kingskot]

The double standard on these boards are at an all time high. It's becoming so bad that we need to have some actual facts, stats and truth injected. Enjoy!

1) On the charge that Ronda is fighting

 

[Breakitdown]

Hong Man Choi is 2-4 with a win over Jose Canseco. That is a win on Fedor's resume who is considered by many in here the GOAT

Say that over and over and let the absurdity sink in.

I can cherry pick all day too.

Jose Canseco is a more complete MMA practitioner than anyone Rousey has fought. Ronda dreams of having a Canseco on her resume.