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Robert Whittaker = "A Changed Man" ... for the Worse

Stone Golem said:
Not so.

I watched every single one of Alex Pereira's UFC fights, multiple times.

Reason being? He's always trying to finish.

By contrast, there are many recent Robert Whittaker fights that no one could "pay me" to watch the full fight again.

Reason being? He's always "trying not to lose" ...
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Which fights of Rob's of late can you not finish?
 
TS is freaking right.
Whittaker used to be a killer.
But there is a segment of snobbish Sherdoggers that love point fighters. They think point fighters are more strategic and more skilled.
I like people that actually score damage. That's why I love Duplessis. He's not exactly a world beater but for me he's a much watch fighter.
 
Stone Golem said:
Whittaker does get rewarded: he has fans that want to see him fight again.
Based on his last performances, I personally wouldn't pay $0.02 to watch Whittaker fight again, if he was the only draw.
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The fans don't give money to the fighters and will turn on them for just going on a skid.
It's ok if you're not a fan, the guy has a family to provide and shouldn't put fans he never met over them.

Also you didn't find the him battering Vettori for three rounds entertaining? Ok dude...

Don't care about Whittaker's brain; only what I want to see as a fight fan

If Whittaker "cared about his brain," he wouldn't have opted to be a fighter.

I'm the customer; I'm the one who decides whether to pay money (or not), based on what I believe I am going to see in an upcoming fight.

I wouldn't pay a penny to see "a defensive fighter protect himself" ...
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The entitlement is crazy here, so what you just want everything to revert back to low level brawls where defense doesn't matter?
If that's the case there's regional cards that it'll provide exactly that.
Quick question, if you have a brother or best friend that pursued fighting as a career would you encourage them to disregard any defense and let themselves take way more unnecessary head trauma along with significantly decrease their chances of being successful in the sport?

It's okay that "many disagree" ... but I sincerely doubt ANYONE would watch those boring fights again ...

Conversely, there are many EPIC FIGHTS, I have watched 7-10x again, as a fan, because of the utter gameness BOTH fighters showed in those fights.

Not seeing this kind of intensity in Whittaker ... anymore.
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You doubt it, but quite literally many disagree and this thread along with many other factors are proof of that.
Just look at the traction Whittaker/DDP is getting, the guy is fine with getting attention with his current fighting style.
 
Question said:
The fans don't give money to the fighters and will turn on them if they go on a skid or anything they dislike.
It's ok if you're not a fan, the guy has a family to provide and shouldn't put fans he never met over them.

Also you didn't find the him battering Vettori for three rounds entertaining? Ok dude...


The entitlement is crazy here, so what you just want everything to revert back to low level brawls where defense doesn't matter?
If that's the case there's regional cards that it'll provide exactly that.
Quick question, if you have a brother or best friend that pursued fighting as a career would you encourage them to disregard any defense and let themselves take way more unnecessary head trauma along with significantly decrease their chances of being successful in the sport?


You doubt it, but quite literally many disagree and this thread along with many other factors are proof of that.
Just look at the traction Whittaker/DDP is getting, the guy is fine with getting attention with his current fighting style.
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Would you pay $85 to see Whitaker x DuPlessis alone?
Neither would I ...

Two B-level fighters ... fighting for what?
Prime placement as Izzy's do-boys?
Lolol ...

The ONLY reason any of us are paying money is (1) to see Volk vs. Yair, and (2) to see Pantoja vs. Moreno ...

The rest of the fights don't actually mean ship, to anyone.

And I say thjs as a "fight fan" longer than you've been alive ...
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
When you know someone's full of shit.

Next, we'll get the navy seal copypasta or some shit
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I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
 
Whittaker despite not finishing pyta a striking masterclass, is active and has his opponent's hurt.

Casuals hate Robert. He's skilled af, nice person, entertaining fight. Top 3 MW of all time. There's no single legit reason to not like him.
 
Substance Abuse said:
Vettori eats 241 total strikes against Cannonier, doesn't get finished or even dropped for that matter. Whittaker doesn't finish him despite soundly outclassing him and hurting him multiple times? He's a point fighter.

Gastelum is known for an iron chin and has never been finished by strikes in 26 fights. Whittaker outstrikes him 169 to 70 but doesn't finish him. He's a point fighter.

Cannonier has never been finished at Middleweight, was knocked down by Bobby who also broke his arm and soundly beat him, but Whittaker didn't get the finish. He's a point fighter.

Till has 23 career fights and has never been finished by strikes at Middleweight. Whittaker beats him, lands more strikes at 100 to 50 and drops him. No finish? He's a point fighter.

Whittaker's last five opponents not named Israel Adesanya have fought 120 times in their careers. They've only been finished by strikes four total times in their careers.

Damn point fighters.

In before complaints about card cost - which you likely don't purchase anyway - and you bringing up gladiators, fights to the death or doing mental gymnastics to hate on fighters who's style or approach you don't enjoy...
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Meh you can do this with a lot of point fighters but anyone will say absolutely anything to defend Robert whittaker
 
Whittaker gets overrated here so bad, you would think he's unstoppable the way people talk. I guess what bugs me is he's considered "best striker (*besides izzy) and best TDD". His style was so much better with his blitzes and going in for finish.

I think people will start to fade him when he runs into a decent striker or grappler. I think he's waiting to be steamrolled but MW is pretty garbage rn until more skilled guys rise up.

He gets a lead now and turns on cruise control to decision. Vettori is skillless, Cannonier old, Gastelum/Till find ways to lose to anyone. His recent resume is sort of over hyped. Also he gets props for his TDD for Yoel fights but Yoel isn't the same wrestler he was.
 
Paul E Gensinger said:
TS is freaking right.
Whittaker used to be a killer.
But there is a segment of snobbish Sherdoggers that love point fighters. They think point fighters are more strategic and more skilled.
I like people that actually score damage. That's why I love Duplessis. He's not exactly a world beater but for me he's a much watch fighter.
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Whittaker and Wonderboy are the Sherdog “technical fighter” darlings. You can’t dare say a negative word about either of them.
 
Bobby had 6 Dec wins and 5 finishes prior to his first showdown with Izzy in the UFC. So at what point were you watching Robert “it’s always a finish” Whittaker wreck the elite? When he was shitting on Clint Hester or Colton Smith? Lol. He finished Jacare and Brunson prior to his match with Izzy, is this where you became a ‘fan’ of his fight ending potential? Did you miss when he went toe to toe with the formidable Court McGee or Rafael Natal?
 
Substance Abuse said:
Vettori eats 241 total strikes against Cannonier, doesn't get finished or even dropped for that matter. Whittaker doesn't finish him despite soundly outclassing him and hurting him multiple times? He's a point fighter.

Gastelum is known for an iron chin and has never been finished by strikes in 26 fights. Whittaker outstrikes him 169 to 70 but doesn't finish him. He's a point fighter.

Cannonier has never been finished at Middleweight, was knocked down by Bobby who also broke his arm and soundly beat him, but Whittaker didn't get the finish. He's a point fighter.

Till has 23 career fights and has never been finished by strikes at Middleweight. Whittaker beats him, lands more strikes at 100 to 50 and drops him. No finish? He's a point fighter.

Whittaker's last five opponents not named Israel Adesanya have fought 120 times in their careers. They've only been finished by strikes four total times in their careers.

Damn point fighters.

In before complaints about card cost - which you likely don't purchase anyway - and you bringing up gladiators, fights to the death or doing mental gymnastics to hate on fighters who's style or approach you don't enjoy...
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Dang!!!!.....
....1000% this!
 
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