Robert Whittaker = "A Changed Man" ... for the Worse

[HHJ]

Just imagine anyone watching him vs Cannonier and think he was point fighting lmao

 

[SuperNerd]

The more I listen to MMA fans, the more I realize why pro-wrestling began and continues to exist.

 

[HHJ]

OP is incredibly short sighted and lazy

He decided to look on Wikipedia and then act super alpha

Its totally super alpha to not watch fights and judge things by wikipedia stats,even though,lazy as you said,he could have looked at how his opponents dont get finished by anybody else either.

 

[usernamee]

Just imagine anyone watching him vs Cannonier and think he was point fighting lmao

or Vettori

dude's out there literally trying to take their heads off

 

[HHJ]

No argument, Robert Whittaker is a class act..

But that's not what I pay $86 to see.
When I pay that kind of money, I want to see A Savage.

Really watch the first Adesanya fight — Robert comes out as a Savage.
No complaints, he's trying to kill — and he gets killed, in so trying.
BRAVO — fighting spirits quenched, regardless of the outcome

Then watch the second Adesanya fight: a boring shit-fest.
Wouldn't pay $0.20 to see that shit again.

Robert was overly cautious, Adesanya was overly cautious, just a funking waste of time.

Israel Adesanya emasculated Robert Whittaker the first fight, and I'm sticking to my opinion.

You keep bragging about $86

DO you only buy one card a year? cos youve clearly missed alot of his fights. Also Robert Whittaker is being himself,and not making a contrived "killer" character just to please the assholes calling him a pointfighter for no reason.

 

[HHJ]

Reconcile This:

Whittaker = NO FINISH since ... HE has been Finished ....

My mistake ... or ... could I have accurately revealed Whittaker's testicular retraction, since his Adesanya KO?

Watch Whittaker x Adesanya I; then
Watch Whittaker x Adesanya II; then

Report back to me ...

Yeah doofus cos he lost the first fight,and adjusted,and did much better the second time around and nearly won.

Wikipedia fans are so annoying,esp when they cry and make babies about "$85"

 

[Ajax41]

I have no doubt you get dumber every day.

Rob starches Poatan

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Yeah doofus cos he lost the first fight,and adjusted,and did much better the second time around and nearly won.

Wikipedia fans are so annoying,esp when they cry and make babies about "$85"

I've asked him multiple times to elaborate on "other fights." He keeps saying "of late" without being specific other than the Izzy fight. He can't actually say any fight Rob's been 'boring' in besides that. Rob's clearly attacked his opponents with intention, but he was more measured against a better striker once, so this idiot throws out the baby with the bath water.

 

[FloydMayweatherMMA]

I don't want to watch ANY ONE fight "not to lose" ... will not pay money for this ... Including those people who used to be my favorites.

Imagine paying to watch UFC lmfao

 

[Vigfree]

Let's cut to the chase, Whittaker used to be a fighter, now he's a point fighter.

Adesanya basically castrated Whittaker.

If we look at the "UFC only" stats, realize this:

• Before Adesanya, in the UFC, Whittaker had 13 UFC Fights (11 Wins, 2 Losses, 5 KOs) - 1 loss by KO

Since being brutally KO'd / exposed by Adesanya,

• After Adesanya, in the UFC, Whittaker has had 5 UFC Fights (4 Wins, 1 Loss, 0 KOs) - no further KO losses.

Anyone who watches the first Adesanya fight, compared to the second Adesanya fight, can see Whittaker is 100x more cautious since being annihilated.

His style is too cautious now, boring and lame.
He completely let Cannonier off the hook.

Yeah, I am a "Bobby Knuckles" fan, or at least I was — but I am actually hoping du Plessis embarrasses Whittaker and sends him back into retirement.

I don't want to watch ANY ONE fight "not to lose" ... will not pay money for this ... Including those people who used to be my favorites.

So you like finishes, and apparently it's very important to you in your fandom.

Has nothing to do with how good or effective someone is though. And your terrible logic conflates the two.

Bobby Knuckles is a super elite MW. The second fight vs Adesanya could have gone his way. So basically he has one clear loss in 10 years. He's dominated almost everyone else in that span, including a lot of great fighters. Some of them, like Vettori, he beat down way better than Izzy did.

He handles big strong, but technically inferior, fighters. That's basically Dricus in a nutshell. If DDP cardio hasn't improved he's drawing close to dead. If it has due to surgery, then he has a chance, but Reaper should be a heavy favorite.

Thanks for the analysis though. Interesting to hear what people taking the other side (I have Bobby -300 & -325) think. Good to know their analysis sucks.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

So you like finishes, and apparently it's very important to you in your fandom.

Has nothing to do with how good or effective someone is though. And your terrible logic conflates the two.

I didn't say Whittaker wasn't effective; I said he's "a changed man."

It is actually your terrible logic which has conflated the two statements.

Bobby Knuckles is a super elite MW. The second fight vs Adesanya could have gone his way. So basically he has one clear loss in 10 years. He's dominated almost everyone else in that span, including a lot of great fighters. Some of them, like Vettori, he beat down way better than Izzy did.

Watch Bobby knuckles face Souza: he refrains from going for the finish the first KD ... but then goes for the finish immediately on the 2nd. He was totally on point.

Watch Bobby knuckles face Vettori — he completely dominated Vettori, and I think he could have finished him, but he "held back" and was clearly afraid to step on the gas.

I won't pay to see anyone who "holds back" when a finish is right in front of them.

He handles big strong, but technically inferior, fighters. That's basically Dricus in a nutshell. If DDP cardio hasn't improved he's drawing close to dead. If it has due to surgery, then he has a chance, but Reaper should be a heavy favorite.

Thanks for the analysis though. Interesting to hear what people taking the other side (I have Bobby -300 & -325) think. Good to know their analysis sucks.

I was a big Bobby Knuckles fan. I still like him (hey, he's a likable dude), but I think Adesanya broke Whittaker's spirit.

I mean yeah, you can still appreciate his skill, but I want to see a fierce desire to finish in any fighter.

Who on earth pays money to see "safety first"?

I've asked him multiple times to elaborate on "other fights." He keeps saying "of late" without being specific other than the Izzy fight. He can't actually say any fight Rob's been 'boring' in besides that. Rob's clearly attacked his opponents with intention, but he was more measured against a better striker once, so this idiot throws out the baby with the bath water.

Sorry, sometimes I have other stuff to do besides answer every single poster question.

I just mentioned another fight. I think Whittaker could have finished Vettori, rather easily, had he actually stepped on the gas.

His "fear of losing" caused him to remain cautious, when he should have floored it and got Vettori out of there.

Yeah, Whittaker completely outclassed Vettori, but he could have finished him as well.

The Whittaker who faced Jacare Souza would've finished Vettori.

 

[tastaylvr]

So you’re telling me a fighter changed the way he fights after being exposed for his weakness?

you don’t say..

instead you wanted him to stay the same and not improve lol

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Sorry, sometimes I have other stuff to do besides answer every single poster question.

I just mentioned another fight. I think Whittaker could have finished Vettori, rather easily, had he actually stepped on the gas.

His "fear of losing" caused him to remain cautious, when he should have floored it and got Vettori out of there.

Yeah, Whittaker completely outclassed Vettori, but he could have finished him as well.

The Whittaker who faced Jacare Souza would've finished Vettori.

I mean, I feel like I wasn't the only one asking, but I getcha. Still incredibly disagree though. He was bloodied up and lost, but Vettori was still throwing head kicks and trying to takedown/grind into Rob in the last minutes of the fight. Rob even almost scored a clean head kick himself 15 seconds left, but Marvin was still sharp and defending.

*edit* was there even a spot Marvin was hurt for more than an instant? There was nothing to capitalize on, to my memory. Vettori is too tough

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

I mean, I feel like I wasn't the only one asking, but I getcha. Still incredibly disagree though. He was bloodied up and lost, but Vettori was still throwing head kicks and trying to takedown/grind into Rob in the last minutes of the fight. Rob even almost scored a clean head kick himself 15 seconds left, but Marvin was still sharp and defending.

It's okay that we disagree a little ...

I think Marvin knew he was in a bad spot ... and I think "the old" Whittaker would've jumped on his ass.

Sure, there's no question Whittaker is talented and dangerous.

However, he's not finished anyone since Izzy ... I think the facts prove my thread header ZERO FINISHES EVER SINCE (0): He's a changed man, and would rather "win safely" than go for the finish these days.

Sucks, IMO ....

My preference is for truly finishing fighters.

 

[Thesnake101]

When you know someone's full of shit.

Next, we'll get the navy seal copypasta or some shit

He was shitting on fighters while you were in your father's nutsack, bucko.

He wrote angry letters to both Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn for their dance battle way back when.

 

[Thesnake101]

It's okay that we disagree a little ...

I think Marvin knew he was in a bad spot ... and I think "the old" Whittaker would've jumped on his ass.

Sure, there's no question Whittaker is talented and dangerous.

However, he's not finished anyone since Izzy ... I think the facts prove my thread header: he's a changed man, and would rather "safely win" than go for the finish these days.

Sucks, IMO ....

My preference is for truly finishing fighters.

The problem is that pretty much no one is finishing those fighters you mentioned at MW, at the very least not with strikes.

If Rob was fighting the Derek Brunson's of the world and taking them to a decision, I'd understand but you really can't fault him for not being able to crack the chins of guys like Vettori and Gastelum.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

The problem is that pretty much no one is finishing those fighters you mentioned at MW, at the very least not with strikes.

If Rob was fighting the Derek Brunson's of the world and taking them to a decision, I'd understand but you really can't fault him for not being able to crack the chins of guys like Vettori and Gastelum.

We disagree.

No problems w/ the Gastelum fight. Dude is tough.

But he had Vettori in grave danger ... and didn't go for it.

It's okay if you disagree, but that is how I saw it.

A truly great finisher, would have KO'd Vettori.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

But he had Vettori in grave danger ... and didn't go for it.

Don't remember that. Any idea on when about it was?

 

[The XL]

Dricus will KO that decision Merchant

Diamond Dallas Page will gas out within 3 minutes after missing 90% of his strikes

 

[ChimRichalds]

It's okay that we disagree a little ...

I think Marvin knew he was in a bad spot ... and I think "the old" Whittaker would've jumped on his ass.

Sure, there's no question Whittaker is talented and dangerous.

However, he's not finished anyone since Izzy ... I think the facts prove my thread header ZERO FINISHES EVER SINCE (0): He's a changed man, and would rather "win safely" than go for the finish these days.

Sucks, IMO ....

My preference is for truly finishing fighters.

Ya know, if you posted like this, people would engage with you more pleasantly on the topic. People have differing opinions, which is all good, but you were going a little hard when you started the thread.