Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[AviatorShades]

don't be a racist.

and he has a point, they won't release the report, which is kind of odd. they are very careful in how they do this. how do you think it is the cops get away with this so often?

and if a cop kills an unamred minor who has his hands up his info should be released. instead he was not charged and was allowed to leave the city lol. you shoot and kill an unarmed minor 20 feet away with your hands up in broad daylight with several witnesses and see what happens.

You can't call me racist. My skin is darker than yours. Start kissing my ass.

It looks like you've already seen the report to me, Nicky. You just described in detail what the officer is guilty of and why his information should have been immediately released. What an attention span.

Within a few sentences you demanded a police report then proceeded to convict the officer in lieu of a report because you've already made up your mind based on American TV narratives about race, just like the morons looting their own city.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

Innocent until proven guilty, no?

the jury doesn't come to a "innocent" verdict, it's guilty or not guilty.

this is based on the evidence they have.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

You can't call me racist. My skin is darker than yours. Start kissing my ass.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so now people with dark skin can't be racist?

racism x2!

 

[JadeOwl]

Why the fuck don't they have dash cam video? Don't they have mine proof armored vehicles, flame throwers and shit?

At least they can release the audio. They better not come back with, "Uh we accidentally may have lost it".

You misunderstand. They're not saying that the dash cam didn't record any video of the incident, or that it was lost.

They're saying that there can't be any video of the incident because the police in Ferguson don't have dash cams installed in their vehicles.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

The incident report would provide no information about the officer and his family. what it would provide is the detailed account of the cop's side of the story so we can determine if it makes any sense. Because the bare bones version of the cop's account that's been made public seems fishy to me.



We're not talking about the report about the whole investigation. The paperwork containing the cop's account of what happened should've been (and probably was) completed the very day of the incident.

they won't even say how many times he was shot, that's shady.

 

[v.kevin]

You misunderstand. They're not saying that the dash cam didn't record any video of the incident, or that it was lost.

They're saying that there can't be any video of the incident because the police in Ferguson don't have dash cams installed in their vehicles.

No, I understood that. I just don't like it but I do appreciate you attempting to clarify.

Seems odd that dash cams are not standard in all police vehicles now days when you have relatively podunk forces with MRAAPs.

 

[cincymma79]

first off, for insulting the nard you need to reopen the zim zam thread, that was messed up you closed it, we were having fun. why does that bother you? what would it bother you that we are discussing the zim that is the zam? we enjoy discussing the topic and joking around, i don't see how thats bad for sherdog. just seems like you closed it because you could.

second, come visit.

it's WAY better than it was 15-20 years ago, but there are areas you still wouldn't want to go. a city with an international reputation for being fucked up is prolly fucked up on some level. deal with it.

oxnard is like 2 places, you have the beaches like hollywood beach and strand and then you have the south and east side. they are COMPLETELY different.

OXNARD!!!!

 

[Wanderlei4Life]

Michael brown is a big 18 year old who robbed a gas station. He is also dead. Wait till all the facts come out

 

[v.kevin]

Michael brown is a big 18 year old who robbed a gas station. He is also dead. Wait till all the facts come out

This is pretty much what we know. I really hope more facts come out and not a bunch more "he said, she said".

 

[Its Me Austin]

the jury doesn't come to a "innocent" verdict, it's guilty or not guilty.

this is based on the evidence they have.

But you're innocent until found guilty here in the USA, no?

 

[v.kevin]

But you're innocent until found guilty here in the USA, no?

Yep, but OJ was found not guilty in criminal court. They sure as hell weren't saying he was innocent. It's just that the burden of proof wasn't met. You know what they are saying.

 

[KILL KILL]

Not really. The community of Ferguson obviously holds their own police in such low repute as to make them think this was another unjustified killing, whether it was or not. In many communities, when a cop kills a criminal suspect, the tendency is to think the killing was justified. However, in Ferguson, the opposite is true. Why?

And even if the outrage wasn't justified, that really holds no bearing on whether the police response to the outrage was justified.

Who knows. Most communities don't loot their own neighborhood and party in the street like it's mardi gras every time someone is suspected of murder either.

 

[KILL KILL]

the jury doesn't come to a "innocent" verdict, it's guilty or not guilty.

this is based on the evidence they have.

semantics. he was found not guilty

Spoiler

aka innocent aka he didn't commit the crime he was accused of

 

[logos]

Michael brown is a big 18 year old who robbed a gas station. He is also dead. Wait till all the facts come out

I don't know that we will ever get a truthful account of what actually happened. If the Ferguson authorities believed this was a legit shooting they wouldn't be withholding information.

 

[Jack V Savage]

But you're innocent until found guilty here in the USA, no?

Innocent until murdered by the cops, I think is what the law is.

 

[UpaLoompa]

The kid being a shit head is pretty irrelevant. There were several instances after that where cops were clearly the ones escalating matters. Between that and the pathetic response by upper authorities.

As someone else said, get cameras on all of these cops before you worry about giving them armored vehicles and anti-mine vehicles.

 

[KILL KILL]

The kid being a shit head is pretty irrelevant. There were several instances after that where cops were clearly the ones escalating matters. Between that and the pathetic response by upper authorities.

As someone else said, get cameras on all of these cops before you worry about giving them armored vehicles and anti-mine vehicles.

I can agree with this. I haven't been following the story much. Are they saying that there was no dash cam in the car? If so, that's ludicrous. Was their funding so low that they couldn't afford a camera or did they simply not give a shit?

 

[UpaLoompa]

I can agree with this. I haven't been following the story much. Are they saying that there was no dash cam in the car? If so, that's ludicrous. Was their funding so low that they couldn't afford a camera or did they simply not give a shit?

I don't think there was a dash cam and body cams they had, hadn't been unpacked. They got their armored vehicles and focused sound arrays up and running pretty quick though.

 

[Matt]

I was watching the press conference where the chief provided the name of the officer that shot Brown. he also mentioned that the officer was treated for injuries sustained during the incident. Did anyone else catch that?

Like I said, a large guy jumped him and tried to take his gun.

But I'm sure some will say that after the officer shot the guy, he repeatedly punched himself in the face to make it look like the other guy attacked him.

 

[equus]

I would just like to apologize to PAN, what I said earlier was inappropriate and uncalled for. Pan is a great poster on here (and one of my favorites) and I was an asshole and said some petty stuff that I should not have.

We all end up disagreeing with others on here but it should never get to the point of dropping f bombs. I lost my cool and lashed out like a child and I am wrong for that.

Here is to more proper debate and less emotions in the future.

As much as I hate to do it:icon_chee, I may have to send out an apology to JVS and speakhandsforme as well, I think I dropped an f bomb on them as well in a thread or too.

Take it easy guys, this is all suppose to be in fun!!

Big props for acting like an adult. Appreciated.