Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[Matt]

Does that sentence still make sense to you, Matt?

No because you just edited what I said and completely misquoted me.

But even so, you're making it sound like the kid was shot for j-walking. He wasn't. He was shot because he jumped a police officer and went for his gun.

 

[MonkeysPaw]

Lol for one it's a kid getting shot by police, that is and should be a big deal. Even a legitimate shooting should be investigated to see if any changes to procedure are needed.

As for the black thing? Yeah if this had been an unarmed white kid there'd be no need for a protest as heads would have rolled almost instantly.

Take a look at missing kids, a ton of black missing kids, no one cares, one pretty little white girl goes missing it's a national event, politicians are all over the news demanding action, new laws are enacted and money is thrown at the police to get things done.

18 is now a kid still?

 

[CableandThanos]

pan is black? when the hell did that happen?

LOL yes pan is black, his mom is from panama, his dad is from Jamaica.

I always thought he was Hispanic, of course the photo of the wifey throws people off as well.

 

[nixkid]

Right but the kid thought he was about to be arrested for robbing a store, and he didn't want to be, so he decided to fight a cop and go for his gun. Again, you accept a certain level of risk that you might be shot when you decide to do something like that. You are responsible for the choice you made and the outcome.

Peaceful crowds...maybe some. But am I just imagining footage of people rioting a looting?

Maybe that is what happened but I don't think its as clear cut as you're attempting to make it sound simply because that would require some god awful risk/benefit analysis on the part of Mike Brown. In order to avoid getting caught with $50 worth of stolen goods, you decide to kill the police officer. What kind of charge was he looking at? A misdemeanor for the theft and maybe a simple assault/battery charge for pushing the store clerk? Probably get community service with a plea deal especially if its his first offense.

Now, maybe he just was that dumb but its not a foregone conclusion.

 

[Matt]

lol, i tend not take the killers word very seriously to be honest because they have every reason to lie. but when you have several eye witnesses who all say the same thing, and have little to no reason to lie, i tend to pay attention to them. and these witnesses seem pretty credible. their stories are basically the same.

i've personally seen crooked cops my whole life, so i obviously am biased, but my bias is based on personal experiences. crooked cops were the norm where i grew up, because hey, who is a white jury going to believe? poor people, or the cops. so the cops feel they can do what ever the hell they want. and it wasn't just towards black people, it was everyone, though my black friends got it worst of all lol.

my friend brian was once hand cuffed and then pushed down a flight of stairs lmao. which ok i did find funny, and he did mouth off and call the black cop that did it and called him a sell out, but still, he could have died. he's in prison now for murder, so he's not exactly a great person for that, but still, the police should respect the laws that they claim they are enforcing.

i saw my white friend andy get beat up by the same cop like 10 times lol. officer struck was his name, he kicked the shit out of so many people it was unreal, but he LOVED kicking andy's ass. he'd do it every time he saw him. so i think i have a good reason to be untrusting of the police, namely that they have earned it.

I have never had any experiences with cops that are even remotely like this. But then, I don't hang out with dudes who are in jail for murder either...

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

Yeah, there's no way the kids in the hood would protect one of their own like the dirty cops do.

right, they are black kids, hence they MUST be lying.

don't quote me again, i don't speak to bigots.

 

[Captain Davis]

lol, i tend not take the killers word very seriously to be honest because they have every reason to lie. but when you have several eye witnesses who all say the same thing, and have little to no reason to lie, i tend to pay attention to them. and these witnesses seem pretty credible. their stories are basically the same.

i've personally seen crooked cops my whole life, so i obviously am biased, but my bias is based on personal experiences. crooked cops were the norm where i grew up, because hey, who is a white jury going to believe? poor people, or the cops. so the cops feel they can do what ever the hell they want. and it wasn't just towards black people, it was everyone, though my black friends got it worst of all lol.

my friend brian was once hand cuffed and then pushed down a flight of stairs lmao. which ok i did find funny, and he did mouth off and call the black cop that did it a sell out, but still, he could have died. he's in prison now for murder, so he's not exactly a great person for that, but still, the police should respect the laws that they claim they are enforcing.

i saw my white friend andy get beat up by the same cop like 10 times lol. officer struck was his name, he kicked the shit out of so many people it was unreal, but he LIVED kicking andy's ass. he'd do it every time he saw him. so i think i have a good reason to be untrusting of the police, namely that they have earned it.

Yeah, but you hang out with hooligans, rapists, ex cons, and general undesirables.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Right but the kid thought he was about to be arrested for robbing a store, and he didn't want to be, so he decided to fight a cop and go for his gun. Again, you accept a certain level of risk that you might be shot when you decide to do something like that. You are responsible for the choice you made and the outcome.

I don't get how you can be so blase' about a police officer straight up murdering someone. Running away with cigars, jaywalking, and running from a cop are certainly very grave offenses, but don't we expect some accountability from the police? What if, in the middle of his crime spree, he'd been hit by a cop car driven by a drunk officer? Would the reaction be, "Oh, well. He knew what he was doing when he chose to jaywalk. You play with matches, you get burned."?

Peaceful crowds...maybe some. But am I just imagining footage of people rioting a looting?

Looters and demonstrators weren't the same people.

But even so, you're making it sound like the kid was shot for j-walking. He wasn't. He was shot because he jumped a police officer and went for his gun.

According to the cop in a self-serving story not backed up by witnesses. And it still wouldn't justify the response.

I have never had any experiences with cops that are even remotely like this. But then, I don't hang out with dudes who are in jail for murder either...

You're white, though, right? And upper middle class?

 

[MuyThaiTom]

i'm not going to stick up for huffpo, but brown is dead, the cop seemed to have killed him when he had his hands up, so there is a different standard there.

i mean look, if that cop shot him with his hands up he's in the wrong, it's just that simple. you can't do that, he gave up and stopped running, you can't shoot an unarmed guy with his hands up.

not to mention, the cop never hit brown up about the robbery, it was over j walking.

Im not taking up for the cop, i have no idea what really happened. Im more focusing on how this one event is being interpretted and spun to validate peoples worldviews without fairness or intellectual honesty.

 

[Matt]

Maybe that is what happened but I don't think its as clear cut as you're attempting to make it sound simply because that would require some god awful risk/benefit analysis on the part of Mike Brown. In order to avoid getting caught with $50 worth of stolen goods, you decide to kill the police officer. What kind of charge was he looking at? A misdemeanor for the theft and maybe a simple assault/battery charge for pushing the store clerk? Probably get community service with a plea deal especially if its his first offense.

Now, maybe he just was that dumb but its not a foregone conclusion.

He was 18 (adult), he just assaulted and robbed someone and there were witnesses. That kid was going to jail. He knew it. He decided he didn't want to go. He was huge (look at the video). He probably said to himself, fuck this, I can beat up/kill this cop and avoid jail. In for a penny, in for a pound. Do I know this for a fact? Not at all. Just a guess on my part.

 

[CableandThanos]

If you did "drop an f bomb" on me, I don't recall, and no apology is necessary. Just try not to be wrong all the time about everything, and we're good.

LOL

I gotta admit JVS you make this site worth coming to, I just have to come and see how far you go to protect Obama.

What are you gonna do when he is out of office?

 

[Matt]

You're white, though, right? And upper middle class?

And Nicky is...?

I am white and upper middle class. I did not grow up that way, though. As a kid I went to school in the city and ALL my friends were minorities, and I identified with them culturally. Many of the dudes I hung out with were gangbangers. Didn't identify with white people at all, hardly knew any.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

I have never had any experiences with cops that are even remotely like this. But then, I don't hang out with dudes who are in jail for murder either...

lol, you wouldn't last 10 seconds in oxnard brah.

you didn't grow up in a ghetto, so cops treated you with respect, they treat me great now that i'm in westlake, love me some helpful cops now, but in south ox, not so much. brain did the murder way later on in life btw, i wasn't hanging with him at the time, if i was, it wouldn't have happened.

andy though, he's just a nice guy all around. officer struck just decided he didn't like him because andy told him what he was doing was illegal. this cop assaulted him so many times lol, we just knew what was going to happen when we saw struck lol. he was cool with me, but just HATED andy.

and see this is the problem, you grew up white, so you think the cops don't do this shit all the time. but for people like me who lived through it, we know for a fact they pull this shit every day. if they did it to you, you would have a lawyer on your side, when they did it to us, they knew there was nothing we could do. this is why the people in the neighborhood in MO are so pissed, because they deal with the abuse daily. you don't. and have never had to man. it's frustrating to people who have lived through it, because we know just how crooked many cops are.

 

[Jack V Savage]

He was 18 (adult), he just assaulted and robbed someone and there were witnesses. That kid was going to jail. He knew it. He decided he didn't want to go. He was huge (look at the video). He probably said to himself, fuck this, I can beat up/kill this cop and avoid jail. In for a penny, in for a pound. Do I know this for a fact? Not at all. Just a guess on my part.

I guess there's no way to really tell, but this just doesn't seem plausible to me at all.

 

[BrandDC]

f*cking animals.

 

[Matt]

And it still wouldn't justify the response.

So...just to be clear: A huge guy jumping you and trying to get your loaded gun would not justify you shooting him. Gotcha.

 

[Prokofievian]

No because you just edited what I said and completely misquoted me.

Correct, as you can't exactly be relied on to report the facts of the matter honestly, apparently. But, that's not why that sentence shouldn't make sense to you anymore. It's because being shot for shop lifting, way after the fact is a fucking stupid idea.

But even so, you're making it sound like the kid was shot for j-walking. He wasn't. He was shot because he jumped a police officer and went for his gun.

Says the police officer who killed Michael Brown, or as you like to refer to him the guy ''just coming off responding to a call to help a sick child.''

lol.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

Yeah, but you hang out with hooligans, rapists, ex cons, and general undesirables.

otherwise known as my neighbors. lol. come on man, that was how things were back then, they lived right next to me, i played baseball with these guys, they went to the same grade school as me. and only 2 rapists! i want that known, it isn't like i knew a gaggle of them.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

He was 18 (adult), he just assaulted and robbed someone and there were witnesses. That kid was going to jail. He knew it. He decided he didn't want to go. He was huge (look at the video). He probably said to himself, fuck this, I can beat up/kill this cop and avoid jail. In for a penny, in for a pound. Do I know this for a fact? Not at all. Just a guess on my part.

matt, that's not how things went, the cop didn't suspect him of the robbery, he was telling him to get out of the street. the robbery had nothing to do with the cop interacting with brown. so i don't think that was his motivation.

 

[Jack V Savage]

LOL

I gotta admit JVS you make this site worth coming to, I just have to come and see how far you go to protect Obama.

What are you gonna do when he is out of office?

I have no particular attachment to Obama. I think the Democrats have had MUCH better policy ideas since at least the 1990s, and that the gap is just growing. I will say that I was pleasantly surprised at Paul's take on this, and it's good to see Ryan at least acknowledging that poverty is an issue (though, predictably he is way off on the causes--note that 80% of people living in poverty are working, disabled, elderly, students, or children).

And Nicky is...?

I am white and upper middle class. I did not grow up that way, though. As a kid I went to school in the city and ALL my friends were minorities, and I identified with them culturally. Many of the dudes I hung out with were gangbangers. Didn't identify with white people at all, hardly knew any.

That's fine. I'm just saying that your personal experiences with police officers aren't going to be the same as those of minorities or even poor whites.

So...just to be clear: A huge guy jumping you and trying to get your loaded gun would not justify you shooting him. Gotcha.

To be clear: the police officer's own story does not justify him shooting a guy who is first running away and then stopping with his hands up multiple times.