Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[IDL]

lol, brown is dead brah, he doesn't have a story to tell.

personally i believe the witnesses, all of whom say he had his hands up. that's my only issue. brown was a jerk obviously. but you can't shoot someone who has stopped running and has his hands up. that's not how it works.

 

[Prokofievian]

Don't have to worry about him robbing anyone else, huh?

Justice is served, clearly.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Is this even still a thread now, after they just announced they have this kid on 3 video cameras strong arm robbing a store, plus two witnesses who say they saw him, plus his own accomplice saying they did it, minutes before he encountered the police officer?

Look at the size of that kid, too. That doesn't jive with the people who were saying the officer used one arm to pull the kid into his car, which is something a cop would never do anyway...kid jumped the cop because he thought the cop was going to arrest him for the robbery, cop was caught off guard because he didn't know about the robbery, kid pushes cop into car, goes for gun...gets shot. Amirite?

Cop was just coming off responding to a call to help a sick child, Brown was coming from robbing a store and roughing someone up. Who you gonna believe?

Aside from the points already made, and among other things, the cops arrested journalists without cause, they gassed and pointed rifles at peaceful crowds, they've illegally ordered people to stop recording the events. There are also longstanding issues with the police in the town. And the kid was stopped on suspicion of jaywalking--nothing to do with robbery.

 

[Prokofievian]

Uhhh excuse me, IDL...

 

[Matt]

personally i believe the witnesses

What a shock! Haha....You know you're my homie and all but you have been so vocal and one-sided about these types of cases in the past there is no way you have any credibility in terms of taking an open-minded, balanced view of this.

 

[ncordless]

He's talking about credibility here. Who are you more apt to believe, the guy who just shot somebody and will pay dearly for it if his version of the story isn't accepted or a guy who just robbed a store and was shot for it?

FIFY.

As always, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

 

[AviatorShades]

Wow surprise another "innocent teen" like trayvon

better pass a law that says if a black person assaults you you're required to just stand there and die

then Jack V Savage and the hipster brigade would celebrate the equality

 

[CableandThanos]

I would just like to apologize to PAN, what I said earlier was inappropriate and uncalled for. Pan is a great poster on here (and one of my favorites) and I was an asshole and said some petty stuff that I should not have.

We all end up disagreeing with others on here but it should never get to the point of dropping f bombs. I lost my cool and lashed out like a child and I am wrong for that.

Here is to more proper debate and less emotions in the future.

As much as I hate to do it:icon_chee, I may have to send out an apology to JVS and speakhandsforme as well, I think I dropped an f bomb on them as well in a thread or too.

Take it easy guys, this is all suppose to be in fun!!

 

[Matt]

Aside from the points already made, and among other things, the cops arrested journalists without cause, they gassed and pointed rifles at peaceful crowds, they've illegally ordered people to stop recording the events. There are also longstanding issues with the police in the town. And the kid was stopped on suspicion of jaywalking--nothing to do with robbery.

Right but the kid thought he was about to be arrested for robbing a store, and he didn't want to be, so he decided to fight a cop and go for his gun. Again, you accept a certain level of risk that you might be shot when you decide to do something like that. You are responsible for the choice you made and the outcome.

Peaceful crowds...maybe some. But am I just imagining footage of people rioting a looting?

 

[nixkid]

So...you just truncate everything to fit and support the views you already had before any of this even started, or something like that?

BTW, I think when you rob a store, going in you are accepting the risk that you might get shot and killed by the store owner or police. You accept that risk because you think the potential reward of stolen money or goods makes it worth it. So...you know, how can you complain when the chickens come home to roost?

I guess "robbery" is the correct term but this wasn't a stick up. What appears to have happened is that Brown decided to go into the store and take something and didn't seem to care enough to be stealthy about it (or maybe he was but the owner saw him anyway) then shoved the owner when confronted. I think that if he really thought he was risking his life, he would've taken more than $50 worth of cigars. Thats just my guess though.

 

[Captain Davis]

Justice is served, clearly.

Atta boy.

 

[Prokofievian]

It's time for you to heal. Let it go, buddy. Let it go.

Yes C&T, turn around and slam that door.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I would just like to apologize to PAN, what I said earlier was inappropriate and uncalled for. Pan is a great poster on here (and one of my favorites) and I was an asshole and said some petty stuff that I should not have.

We all end up disagreeing with others on here but it should never get to the point of dropping f bombs. I lost my cool and lashed out like a child and I am wrong for that.

Here is to more proper debate and less emotions in the future.

As much as I hate to do it:icon_chee, I may have to send out an apology to JVS and speakhandsforme as well, I think I dropped an f bomb on them as well in a thread or too.

Take it easy guys, this is all suppose to be in fun!!

If you did "drop an f bomb" on me, I don't recall, and no apology is necessary. Just try not to be wrong all the time about everything, and we're good.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

interesting article on the police department there.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...rguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html#

The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody LieThe officers got the wrong man, but charged him anyway—with getting his blood on their uniforms. How the Ferguson PD ran the town where Michael Brown was gunned down. Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him. “On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet. The address is the headquarters of the Ferguson Police Department, where a 52-year-old welder named Henry Davis was taken in the predawn hours on that date. He had been arrested for an outstanding warrant that proved to actually be for another man of the same surname, but a different middle name and Social Security number. “I said, ‘I told you guys it wasn’t me,’” Davis later testified. He recalled the booking officer saying, “We have a problem.” The booking officer had no other reason to hold Davis, who ended up in Ferguson only because he missed the exit for St. Charles and then pulled off the highway because the rain was so heavy he could not see to drive. The cop who had pulled up behind him must have run his license plate and assumed he was that other Henry Davis. Davis said the cop approached his vehicle, grabbed his cellphone from his hand, cuffed him and placed him in the back seat of the patrol car, without a word of explanation. - See more at: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ght-in-a-bloody-lie.html#sthash.77kXmJDP.dpuf

 

[Matt]

Whether the killing was justified or not is hardly the main thing in the story anymore.

This is as much or more about the communities reaction to the killing, and the cop's reaction to the community. Whether the kid robbed the store or not matters little to either of those things.

Well it does kind of matter because the killing is the cause of the outrage. So the question of whether the killing was justified speaks to whether the outrage/reaction is justified.

 

[IDL]

Uhhh excuse me, IDL...

Just adding a little imagery to the scuffle, don't mind me.

 

[Prokofievian]

Tell me, what are my views on this particular issue?

Oh nevermind, I'll just address your ninja edit.

BTW, I think when you rob a store, going in you are accepting the risk that you might get shot and killed by the store owner or police, including sometime later that day when you're stopped for some other reason, such as jaywalking.

Does that sentence still make sense to you, Matt?

 

[Captain Davis]

lol, brown is dead brah, he doesn't have a story to tell.

personally i believe the witnesses, all of whom say he had his hands up. that's my only issue. brown was a jerk obviously. but you can't shoot someone who has stopped running and has his hands up. that's not how it works.

Yeah, there's no way the kids in the hood would protect one of their own like the dirty cops do.

 

[Flamma]

The shot black kid had just robbed a convenience store, true or false?

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

What a shock! Haha....You know you're my homie and all but you have been so vocal and one-sided about these types of cases in the past there is no way you have any credibility in terms of taking an open-minded, balanced view of this.

lol, i tend not take the killers word very seriously to be honest because they have every reason to lie. but when you have several eye witnesses who all say the same thing, and have little to no reason to lie, i tend to pay attention to them. and these witnesses seem pretty credible. their stories are basically the same.

i've personally seen crooked cops my whole life, so i obviously am biased, but my bias is based on personal experiences. crooked cops were the norm where i grew up, because hey, who is a white jury going to believe? poor people, or the cops. so the cops feel they can do what ever the hell they want. and it wasn't just towards black people, it was everyone, though my black friends got it worst of all lol.

my friend brian was once hand cuffed and then pushed down a flight of stairs lmao. which ok i did find funny, and he did mouth off and call the black cop that did it and called him a sell out, but still, he could have died. he's in prison now for murder, so he's not exactly a great person for that, but still, the police should respect the laws that they claim they are enforcing.

i saw my white friend andy get beat up by the same cop like 10 times lol. officer struck was his name, he kicked the shit out of so many people it was unreal, but he LOVED kicking andy's ass. he'd do it every time he saw him. so i think i have a good reason to be untrusting of the police, namely that they have earned it.