International Riot in Sweden.

[So Fresh]

Mmm so maybe allowing immigration of ignorant, religion biased animals is a problem after all. But I'm sure Europe can fix that by the 3/4th generation, they just have to be patient.

You’re like a child who doesn’t get attention so your behavior becomes more extreme hoping someone will notice you. Well child, I notice you

 

[panem-et-circenses]

Third night of unrest in Sweden over far-right anti-Islam rally

“Southern Sweden saw another night of unrest on Saturday over plans by an anti-Islam far-right political party to burn a Qur’an among other things.

Police said up to 100 mostly young people threw stones, set cars, tyres and dustbins on fire, and put up a barrier fence in the town of Landskrona after authorities moved a demonstration scheduled there by Danish party Stram Kurs to the nearby city of Malmö, about 45km (27 miles) to the south.

The situation calmed in Landskrona by late Saturday but remained tense, police said, adding no injuries were reported in the action.

Kim Hild, spokesperson for police in southern Sweden, had said earlier on Saturday that police would not revoke permission for the Landskrona demonstration organised by party Stram Kurs because the free-speech threshold for doing that is very high in Sweden.

The right of the protesters “to demonstrate and speak out weighs enormously, heavily and it takes an incredible amount for this to be ignored,” Hild told Swedish news agency TT.”

 

[DespicablePeep]

A liar always needs to attack in hope to regain some control. Dislodging some of their own bad feelings onto others is usually their last hope.

We got here fast

 

[DespicablePeep]

Third night of unrest in Sweden over far-right anti-Islam rally

“Southern Sweden saw another night of unrest on Saturday over plans by an anti-Islam far-right political party to burn a Qur’an among other things.

Police said up to 100 mostly young people threw stones, set cars, tyres and dustbins on fire, and put up a barrier fence in the town of Landskrona after authorities moved a demonstration scheduled there by Danish party Stram Kurs to the nearby city of Malmö, about 45km (27 miles) to the south.

The situation calmed in Landskrona by late Saturday but remained tense, police said, adding no injuries were reported in the action.

Kim Hild, spokesperson for police in southern Sweden, had said earlier on Saturday that police would not revoke permission for the Landskrona demonstration organised by party Stram Kurs because the free-speech threshold for doing that is very high in Sweden.

The right of the protesters “to demonstrate and speak out weighs enormously, heavily and it takes an incredible amount for this to be ignored,” Hild told Swedish news agency TT.”

Both sides should just kiss it out

 

[panem-et-circenses]

Both sides should just kiss it out

I think hugging could solve this one. Only a 100 people or so freaking out.

 

[IX_Equilibrium]

I don’t know how these newer generation immigrants are doing in Sweden at the moment, if they face the same problems as second generation immigrants face. But reading that these crime/ gang problems are mainly with second generation suggests that new comers are doing better, but I would have to look into that more.

Sorry, but this doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[IX_Equilibrium]

Well I’m not Swedish so I don’t know about that.

I'm surprised you're so staunch in your argument if you're not living in the society with the problems that I have referenced.

 

[So Fresh]

Sorry, but this doesn't make any sense to me.

Well for instance in Germany the first waves of immigrants after ww2 were “gastarbeiters” which basically means guestworkers who had lower crime rates and integrated better. Second and third generation had higher crime rates. During the 1980s there was another wave over immigrants who also had higher crime rates due to policy change.

So what I’m saying is that this could be the case in Sweden but I don’t know that for sure, but high crime rates among especially second generation immigrants suggests this could be the case.

Point being that immigration inherently isn’t bad, and the succes of the immigrant group depends on a lot of factors.

I'm surprised you're so staunch in your argument if you're not living in the society with the problems that I have referenced.

How am I staunch in my arguments when I’m literally saying “it could be true” ?

 

[Orgasmo]

Another round of riots because snackbars got upset about Quran being burned by right wing trolls:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61134734

 

[IX_Equilibrium]

Well for instance in Germany the first waves of immigrants after ww2 were “gastarbeiters” which basically means guestworkers who had lower crime rates and integrated better. Second and third generation had higher crime rates. During the 1980s there was another wave over immigrants who also had higher crime rates due to policy change.

So what I’m saying is that this could be the case in Sweden but I don’t know that for sure, but high crime rates among especially second generation immigrants suggests this could be the case.

Point being that immigration inherently isn’t bad, and the succes of the immigrant group depends on a lot of factors.

Ok, but I don't compartmentalize different generations if socially they still identify more with the country/culture that they came from instead of Sweden or whatever country they are in now. As I said before in the case of Sweden, it's not wise to keep on bringing in immigrants since they have failed to successfully immigrants of the past into their society. Fix your policies and problems 1st instead of continuing the same problematic pattern.

How am I staunch in my arguments when I’m literally saying “it could be true” ?

I was talking of all of your back and forth with me and others on this subject. It wasn't a criticism, but perhaps it was an unfair statement by me to begin with.

 

[So Fresh]

Ok, but I don't compartmentalize different generations if socially they still identify more with the country/culture that they came from instead of Sweden or whatever country they are in now. As I said before in the case of Sweden, it's not wise to keep on bringing in immigrants since they have failed to successfully immigrants of the past into their society. Fix your policies and problems 1st instead of continuing the same problematic pattern.

I think that’s where we disagree, you can take in immigrants and change policy/ fix problems at the same time. But, yeah it still has to be done.

I was talking of all of your back and forth with me and others on this subject. It wasn't a criticism, but perhaps it was an unfair statement by me to begin with.

Well I believe you don’t have to live somewhere to discuss problems since everything is documented. I believe almost no one here lives in Sweden. And I live in Europe and these problems are somewhat universal, so it’s not an unfamiliar topic.

 

[lsa]

3 shot by the cops.
One was hit with a ricochet. (leg)
None of them deadly injured.

 

[Bald1]

I think that’s where we disagree, you can take in immigrants and change policy/ fix problems at the same time. But, yeah it still has to be done.




Well I believe you don’t have to live somewhere to discuss problems since everything is documented. I believe almost no one here lives in Sweden. And I live in Europe and these problems are somewhat universal, so it’s not an unfamiliar topic.

Several of the guys in this thread are from Sweden and Scandi countries. One is a second generation guy. There's another dude from Malmo reading this who also thinks you're talking out your ass. Lots of us have an intimate understanding of the topic at hand and know red herring bs like "crime is down" is a manipulation of statistics if not an outright fabrication.

 

[Son of Jamin]

okay my bad I read over that.


No we haven’t changed. Less segregated school lead to better education and results. How they should do that? I don’t know I’m not a politician or Swedish policy expert but there for sure people who know more about that than us. It’s just an overall fact that better educated people leads to less crime.

I agree that better educated people lead to less crime albeit there are certain key elements that will still cause a lot of problem (loyalty to the clan first and foremost).

As for people that know more about this stuff...according to a study that has been published, students from a highly problematic school were sent to four other schools. Only 42% of those students managed to get basic eligibility to high school compared to the 50% of all the senior classes in the original school. The 50% is also the average from 2001-2018. So solving segregation by moving students is not the solution, it is simply not enough.

 

[Son of Jamin]

At least three rioters were enriched with bullets today, nothing life threatening however.

 

[So Fresh]

Several of the guys in this thread are from Sweden and Scandi countries. One is a second generation guy. There's another dude from Malmo reading this who also thinks you're talking out your ass. Lots of us have an intimate understanding of the topic at hand and know red herring bs like "crime is down" is a manipulation of statistics if not an outright fabrication.

And they can’t speak for them selfs lol? Are you from Sweden otherwise stfu

 

[Bald1]

And they can’t speak for them selfs lol? Are you from Sweden otherwise stfu

They are speaking for themselves and you're actively arguing with them.

I'm genetically incapable of shutting the fuck up. Something you should be thankful for.

 

[So Fresh]

I agree that better educated people lead to less crime albeit there are certain key elements that will still cause a lot of problem (loyalty to the clan first and foremost).

As for people that know more about this stuff...according to a study that has been published, students from a highly problematic school were sent to four other schools. Only 42% of those students managed to get basic eligibility to high school compared to the 50% of all the senior classes in the original school. The 50% is also the average from 2001-2018. So solving segregation by moving students is not the solution, it is simply not enough.

I agree, that’s why I said it’s part of the solution and not the solution as these problems always stem from multiple complex factors and not just one thing.

This in contract to others in this thread that think that just stopping immigration and demonize immigrants even further is gonna change anything.

 

[So Fresh]

They are speaking for themselves and you're actively arguing with them.

I'm genetically incapable of shutting the fuck up. Something you should be thankful for.

Well if they are the ones that are actively arguing with me, and they are saying I “talk out of my ass” it holds little weight since they are losing basically every argument.

 

[Bald1]

I agree, that’s why I said it’s part of the solution and not the solution as these problems always stem from multiple complex factors and not just one thing.

This in contract to others in this thread that think that just stopping immigration and demonize immigrants even further is gonna change anything.

Is incompatible cultures one of those "not just one thing" deals, or are you people still ignoring that reality?