International Riot in Sweden.

[panem-et-circenses]

Tongue or no tongue?

Tongue

 

[So Fresh]

You have, again, effectively listed these socioeconomic problems that exist in Sweden due a couple of decades of mass immigration. They literally had nothing like this before.
Less immigration doesn't fix anything directly, but it's a crucial first step to take towards fixing the problem.

Well that’s pretty obvious since the socioeconomic problems weren’t also the same as now.

The solutions you list are the same complete BS that the lefties have been throwing at the ever growing population that just takes advantage of the situation, it solves nothing and it ends nothing.
Wake up and smell the roses.

Well research proves that it does work tho, but it has to be implemented and that seems to be the problem in Sweden.

 

[IX_Equilibrium]

Did I say the solution is “throw more money at then”? No. Solutions which have been given:
- better job programs
- better education
- less segregation
- less discrimination
- language programs
- building trust between government and poor area’s

Less immigration does not fix the problems they are facing now.

But you’ll just keep on ignoring the facts and studies into this subject and keep on rambling about your feelings and underbelly.

Sweden has not figured out how to effectively assimilate immigrants into it’s society to give them a better chance of success, so to keep taking on more immigrants when the points above have not been achieved is obtuse.

 

[panem-et-circenses]

Sweden has not figured out how to effectively assimilate immigrants into it’s society to give them a better chance of success, so to keep taking on more immigrants when the points above have not been achieved is obtuse.

Would you kiss a Muslim?

 

[IX_Equilibrium]

Would you kiss a Muslim?

No, my wife wouldn’t appreciate me kissing anyone else.

 

[So Fresh]

Sweden has not figured out how to effectively assimilate immigrants into it’s society to give them a better chance of success, so to keep taking on more immigrants when the points above have not been achieved is obtuse.

This is a good point. Although I’m not sure if these problems consist mainly of new comers or older generations of immigrants. In the rest of Europe for instance Syrians are far better integrated. And in Sweden most problems with crime and immigrants are second generation immigrants. Which further strengthened the point that immigration itself not the root cause

 

[IX_Equilibrium]

Which further strengthened the point that immigration itself not the root cause

How can you say it's not? Take Rinkeby for example. It encapsulates Sweden's failure to give immigrants a chance for blending into society successfully. So whether crime is from someone in-country from Somalia for 6 months, or someone born there to a Somali native, it's still a Somali who doesn't know what a successful Swedish life is like.

As long as it's a poor environment with little opportunity, crime will keep perpetuating. Just because someone born on Swedish soil doesn't mean they will feel Swedish and be able to pursue the same opportunities as a native Swede. In that situation socially speaking, they are still immigrants.

 

[ElKarlo]

Did you read my posts? I mention the football hooligan riots as well as French labor riots. Here's a riot by Corsican nationalists just this week. Why are they rioting? Because a political assassin for their cause was beaten into a coma in prison. So they're rioting over a literal terrorist

Sports riots are stupid and condemnable. I don’t support them and think the rioters should catch a good ole fashioned beating
The yellow vests is basically a low level revolt at this point. I’m not sure how to classify it at this point. As it was a protest movement that has legitimate gripes and has been attacked and has attacked the police.

anyone rioting for a terrorist like this or the basques etc suck.

see it’s easy to condemn these.

 

[ElKarlo]

<{CMPALM}>
Recently - Jan 6th for starters, Yellow Vest in France.

Historically in the US - Tulsa riots, NYC draft riots, Detroit race riots, Rosewood, San Francisco zoot suit riots. None of which were kind to brown people.

<{CMPALM}>
Recently - Jan 6th for starters, Yellow Vest in France.

Historically in the US - Tulsa riots, NYC draft riots, Detroit race riots, Rosewood, San Francisco zoot suit riots. None of which were kind to brown people.

Dude most of those, all involved are long since dead. NYC draft riots were July 1863 iirc. Even the civil rights era riots are too old to be counted as recent

 

[ElKarlo]

It was your own source??? How am I being dishonest?

it’s also not 50% of rapes it’s 50% of rapes and attempted rapes. Seriously learn reading comprehension

So it’s worse than he stated? Cool that you’re still that deluded

 

[So Fresh]

How can you say it's not? Take Rinkeby for example. It encapsulates Sweden's failure to give immigrants a chance for blending into society successfully. So whether crime is from someone in-country from Somalia for 6 months, or someone born there to a Somali native, it's still a Somali who doesn't know what a successful Swedish life is like.

As long as it's a poor environment with little opportunity, crime will keep perpetuating. Just because someone born on Swedish soil doesn't mean they will feel Swedish and be able to pursue the same opportunities as a native Swede. In that situation socially speaking, they are still immigrants.

I agree with what your saying but what I meant was that if new comers blend in better than immigrants who are living there for two generations, it further strengthens the claim that immigration itself isn’t the problem but the treatment of immigrants is.

 

[IX_Equilibrium]

I agree with what your saying but what I meant was that if new comers blend in better than immigrants who are living there for two generations, it further strengthens the claim that immigration itself isn’t the problem but the treatment of immigrants is.

You are trying to departmentalize, but it's still an immigration problem. And as long as big hearted Sweden keeps on letting in immigrants with no common sense plan for proper integration into society, this keeps happening.

I don't know you so, so I'm not accusing you of being in this category, but I have spoken to many Swedes who admit there is this prevailing attitude that if anything negative is said about immigrants (or descendants of), they will be considered racist. Even if the negative point is completely true and painfully obvious, some will go to great lengths to defend immigration with no solutions to real problems in immigrant communities, while arguing for more immigration. It's like blindly building additional stories on top of a building with a faulty foundation.

And anyone who has a dissenting opinion of the pro-immigration stance is written off as a Swedish Democrat, so society just doubles down on their pro-immigration stances because no way on earth they would agree with any aspect of the Swedish Democrat's immigration argument. So common sense approaches to problems get washed away with political rhetoric.

 

[Halge]

They moved today's demo from City 1 to City 2. Riots are now taking place in City 1...

 

[SanchoMF]

They moved today's demo from City 1 to City 2. Riots are now taking place in City 1...

https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/jag-vet-hur-vidrigt-det--ar-hur-ont-det-gor/

 

[Islam Imamate]

Sports riots are stupid and condemnable. I don’t support them and think the rioters should catch a good ole fashioned beating
The yellow vests is basically a low level revolt at this point. I’m not sure how to classify it at this point. As it was a protest movement that has legitimate gripes and has been attacked and has attacked the police.

anyone rioting for a terrorist like this or the basques etc suck.

see it’s easy to condemn these.

I don't care if you condemn them or not, not really my point. I know its easy for you to go through the motions over them but I'm not blind, I can see the vastly different reaction guys like you have when different groups riot.

He died actually. And the guy was a piece of shit terrorist, actually both Colonna and the guy who beat him.
FLNC, ETA and IRA are all trash.

Sure but my point is that the cries of how Europe is crumbling because some Muslims rioted over a Qur'an burning strike me as odd when there's plenty of riots over there for the dumbest crap like ball games, labor laws, and even nationalist terrorists. Not unique to us Muslims.

I'm not going to say all those riots are equal to be fair. Hey maybe some of those labor laws are worth rioting over while rioting over the burning of a Qur'an is dumb since it plays right into the hands of the provocateurs. But people acting like this is some grave sign of the end times of Europe I think are overplaying it. I bet if I burned a team jersey of a soccer team after their match out on the streets I could provoke a riot. And the point about freedom of speech is laughable. Go burn the French flag in the streets and see if the government cares about your freedom of speech.

 

[Bacco]

You are trying to departmentalize, but it's still an immigration problem. And as long as big hearted Sweden keeps on letting in immigrants with no common sense plan for proper integration into society, this keeps happening.

I don't know you so, so I'm not accusing you of being in this category, but I have spoken to many Swedes who admit there is this prevailing attitude that if anything negative is said about immigrants (or descendants of), they will be considered racist. Even if the negative point is completely true and painfully obvious, some will go to great lengths to defend immigration with no solutions to real problems in immigrant communities, while arguing for more immigration. It's like blindly building additional stories on top of a building with a faulty foundation.

And anyone who has a dissenting opinion of the pro-immigration stance is written off as a Swedish Democrat, so society just doubles down on their pro-immigration stances because no way on earth they would agree with any aspect of the Swedish Democrat's immigration argument. So common sense approaches to problems get washed away with political rhetoric.

Peace is a hell of a drug

Problem is, when people of Europe will be uncomfortable enough to wake up, will be already waaay too late

 

[IX_Equilibrium]

Go burn the French flag in the streets and see if the government cares about your freedom of speech.

What would happen?

 

[ElKarlo]

I don't care if you condemn them or not, not really my point. I know its easy for you to go through the motions over them but I'm not blind, I can see the vastly different reaction guys like you have when different groups riot.

Sure but my point is that the cries of how Europe is crumbling because some Muslims rioted over a Qur'an burning strike me as odd when there's plenty of riots over there for the dumbest crap like ball games, labor laws, and even nationalist terrorists. Not unique to us Muslims.

I'm not going to say all those riots are equal to be fair. Hey maybe some of those labor laws are worth rioting over while rioting over the burning of a Qur'an is dumb since it plays right into the hands of the provocateurs. But people acting like this is some grave sign of the end times of Europe I think are overplaying it. I bet if I burned a team jersey of a soccer team after their match out on the streets I could provoke a riot. And the point about freedom of speech is laughable. Go burn the French flag in the streets and see if the government cares about your freedom of speech.

that’s because the media covers for some groups when they riot. In defense of rioting is a thing. Also most sports rioting as dumb as it is is over pretty quickly. While other types aren’t. Many last for days or weeks.

 

[SanchoMF]

Sure but my point is that the cries of how Europe is crumbling because some Muslims rioted over a Qur'an burning strike me as odd when there's plenty of riots over there for the dumbest crap like ball games, labor laws, and even nationalist terrorists. Not unique to us Muslims.

I'm not going to say all those riots are equal to be fair. Hey maybe some of those labor laws are worth rioting over while rioting over the burning of a Qur'an is dumb since it plays right into the hands of the provocateurs. But people acting like this is some grave sign of the end times of Europe I think are overplaying it. I bet if I burned a team jersey of a soccer team after their match out on the streets I could provoke a riot. And the point about freedom of speech is laughable. Go burn the French flag in the streets and see if the government cares about your freedom of speech.

I get your point to an extent I do agree, on a comparison level of action vs. action.
But I want to say that being in a secular and vastly open society, violence over religion have been dealt with a couple of hundred of years ago (until very recently) and the laws in that regard (and the gradual end of the superposition of monarchy) were drawn as a result and somewhat very clearly : it's all allowed or it's all forbidden, depending on the country we're talking about.
So, religious violence is something that has not really existed here for a long time, you know it as well.
I personally have no desire to piss people of deliberately, but if someone does, it's fine by me.
I'm not offended by someone 'disrespecting' something close to me, but I might consider that person to an idiot. So what.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I get your point to an extent I do agree, on a comparison level of action vs. action.
But I want to say that being in a secular and vastly open society, violence over religion have been dealt with a couple of hundred of years ago (until very recently) and the laws in that regard (and the gradual end of the superposition of monarchy) were drawn as a result and somewhat very clearly : it's all allowed or it's all forbidden, depending on the country we're talking about.
So, religious violence is something that has not really existed here for a long time, you know it as well.
I personally have no desire to piss people of deliberately, but if someone does, it's fine by me.
I'm not offended by someone 'disrespecting' something close to me, but I might consider that person to an idiot. So what.

I don't really buy the idea that doing bad things because of religion makes them uniquely bad, maybe that's just because I don't live in a secular Euro country or whatever.

I don't really support these riots of course. I'm not even some pacifist who thinks people should never riot but this is a dumb reason since it plays right into the hands of the rabble-rousers. And as @shinkyoku pointed out local imams are against them as well and do their best to diffuse them but young men like to get amped up in crowds in public and mess stuff up, hence my comparison to the football hooligans. Give them a slight pretense, like a Qur'an burning or football match, and they'll have a go at the city.

What would happen?

The state would prosecute you for that.