Crime RFK Jr wants to send people on Anti depressants to do forced labor at Farms

[Crazy Source]

If only he was fit and healthy like people from the past administration health sector

If all you have is a shock picture, you don't have shit.

 

[Crazy Source]

I think @Fox by the Sea likes that fella.

 

[calavera2]

Fuck yeah he was and fuck yeah he is

Not only will he understand what its like to feel and think as an addict does, he displayed the mental fortitude to quit, improve his life and become the secretary of health.

If that's not inspiration for people struggling with addiction I don't know what is.

Kudos to this man.

The morons have won...weep my peeps

 

[Hdfi]

Big Pharma is prescribing antidepressants to 5-year-olds. Nuff said.

 

[Renard]

SSRIs change neurotransmitter concentrations immediately. If the neurotransmitter theory were correct, the SSRIs would change mood within a few hours of the first pill. Yet they don't do anything for at least 3 weeks. The dominant conjecture in the neuroscience space is that the anti-depressive effect is from beefing up the neurons in the hippocampi with more dendrites, which helps modulate the HPA axis (stress axis). However it's possible that it's from some other downstream effect. It's not known definitely how it works or why it works. The narrative given to people that they have depression because their "neurotransmitters are naturally out of whack" isn't correct and has never been correct. It's also absurd on its' face if you know a little on how the brain works. Each person has a different number of each neuron type in each region of the brain, a different number of receptors and a different activity level. Meaning there's wildly different neurotransmitter levels between people and they have no correlation to whether a person is depressed or not. There's no standardized "normal" amount of neurotransmitters to have. I'm not entirely sure how that narrative started but it seems useful to sell drugs, at minimum, so that's probably a hint. Psychiatrists should know better than to tell you that, but a lot of doctors think their patients are stupid so they you give half-baked explanations because they assume you can't handle / aren't interested in the real one.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

As someone who's struggled with depression his whole life, and thinks drugs don't really help, I'm not against the idea of a government program that gets people outside in nature and work with their hands, and get paid for it for a limited time. But the logistics will be a headache. If you force people, you're going to incentivize people to not get treatment or lie about their condition. Also how does it work if someone taking meds already has a job? Plenty of people who take meds are functional.
Should be voluntary. Forcing anything sounds very un-American to me.

believe there was a qualifier 'if they want to' pointed out earlier in this thread.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Then he should be focusing on going after micro-plastics and PFAS in the environment.

He is.

 

[Rob Battisti]

RFK doesn't know how SSRIs work, dude....He thinks they are addictive (they are not) lol

This entire plan stems off a lie.

SSRIs are not addictive in that they produces cravings. However, they do produce withdrawal symptoms and dependency. So the assertion isn’t entirely incorrect.

 

[Rob Battisti]

He said "These drugs" (referring to anti-depressents), in which case, I don't think you establish a causality that anti-depressants are addictive (in the clinical sense) and *promote* violent behavior.

There is a physiological dependency that occurs with prolonged use, but the same can be said for everything from blood pressure medication to antacids.

Establishing causality with respect to increases in violent behavior is also a strawman argument. While anti-depressant use has been linked to increased suicidal ideation and aggression in a relatively small number of cases, there is overwhelming evidence to suggest that anti-depressants radically reduces anti-social behaviors, compulsions etc. (which are linked to acts of violence).

Are you asserting that SSRIs don’t create dependency and withdrawal symptoms?

 

[Andy Capp]

SSRIs are not addictive in that they produces cravings. However, they do produce withdrawal symptoms and dependency. So the assertion isn’t entirely incorrect.

No, just mostly. The issue is the misrepresentation of the potential problem, not whether or not there is one. There are side effects and withdrawal symptoms with all kinds of medications that nevertheless do more good than harm (with few if any alternative treatments) and to represent otherwise is fucking shitty.

 

[Rob Battisti]

No, just mostly. The issue is the misrepresentation of the potential problem, not whether or not there is one. There are side-effects and withdrawal symptoms with all kinds of medications that nevertheless do more good than harm and to represent otherwise is fucking shitty.

I agree. He should have said “cause dependency” versus “are addictive”.

I think to the average person though, they are interchangeable.

 

[Andy Capp]

I agree. He should have said “cause dependency” versus “are addictive”.

I think to the average person though, they are interchangeable.

He should get a punch in the face for suggesting he knows better than a doctor whether an individual should be on them or not.

Speaking for myself I've never had a serious side effect weaning off any prescribed medication. Most people don't.

Your last sentence is irrelevant. We're not talking about what the average person thinks except in as much as bullshit like this negatively affects them. He should be able to speak on these things accurately and clearly to hold his position. I'm not claiming you disagree with that; just wondering why you're making excuses for him with this comment, or so it appears to me.

 

[MMA IAN]

The morons have won...weep my peeps

 

[pugilistico]

believe there was a qualifier 'if they want to' pointed out earlier in this thread.

You'll be forced against your will, only if you like it. Sounds kinky and very American.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

You'll be forced against your will, only if you like it. Sounds kinky and very American.

Who knows.
Meanwhile I'm gonna go outside and play in the dirt.

 

[pugilistico]

Who knows.
Meanwhile I'm gonna go outside and play in the dirt.

Magic mushrooms does way more for depression than any pharmaceutical drug so being out in nature and picking mushrooms would be way better than taking drugs.

 

[Mr Holmes]

You'll be forced against your will, only if you like it. Sounds kinky and very American.

What?

 

[curryjunkie]

So basically a rehabilitation center that emphasizes physical activity and outdoors over a depressing clinic. Sounds good to me.

Especially for depressed people who feel hopeless. Working with your hands, growing stuff makes people feel fulfilled.

Mother Jones makes it sound like they’ll be digging moats at the border lol

Not all camps are bad, lefties

I have to agree with this if it's done properly, numerous studies show being outdoors gardening and in nature improves mental health, as long as it's not used as cheap farm labour.

 

[Rob Battisti]

He should get a punch in the face for suggesting he knows better than a doctor whether an individual should be on them or not.

Speaking for myself I've never had a serious side effect weaning off any prescribed medication. Most people don't.

Your last sentence is irrelevant. We're not talking about what the average person thinks except in as much as bullshit like this negatively affects them. He should be able to speak on these things accurately and clearly to hold his position. I'm not claiming you disagree with that; just wondering why you're making excuses for him with this comment, or so it appears to me.

Has he indicated that people should never be on SSRIs? Or that they are always ineffective? My view, and it is not outrageous, is that SSRIs are overprescribed and that diet, exercise and being outdoors can actually help a good portion of the population that is dependent on chemical interventions. Furthermore, that goes double for SSRIs in youth where a lifetime of dependence is going to happen when that prescription is made.

It’s frustrating that such a negative reaction to RFK and Trump is causing the left to be on the side of big pharma. There is a HUGE issue with over prescription across the board. Big Pharma is subject to huge litigation due to this and it’s sad that people will now turn a blind eye because the opposing team is against them.

SSRIs and opioids can be beneficial or detrimental but I will never trust the machine and will always believe when profits are at stake, they are being pushed more than they need to be.

To your second point, were they SSRIs? If not, why even bring it up? Do you deny SSRIs cause dependence? It’s very clearly laid out in the literature that they do. It’s inarguable so I don’t understand what point your making here.

Lastly, I’ve not defended or made excuses. I agreed he shouldn’t have said addictive. I’m pointing out that “are addictive” and “cause dependency” can be interchangeable to the average person.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

Magic mushrooms does way more for depression than any pharmaceutical drug so being out in nature and picking mushrooms would be way better than taking drugs.

I don't know enough about psychedelics, apart from what these delta9 and hhc gummies do when I eat them, but there is no feeling in the world that compares to accomplishing something with your bare hands and feeling exhausted from it. imo