Rampage explains how outer space is a hoax

[kflo]

It's the only reasonable conclusion once you understand that the thing is real. They can't not know on some level.

Lol.

are you real?

 

[BearGrounds]

Lol.

are you real?

Realer than Real Deal Holyfield.

 

[KnockoutsGalore]

Realer than Bigfoot

Fixed.

 

[HereticBD]

Well, when you use Occam's Razor for something like Bigfoot, the proper result one ought to come to is that the government is lying.

But why would they lie about that? What is detrimental to their..."power" or whatever, to lie about the existence of Bigfoot?

Usually CT's about the shadowy government, involves some kind of end goal, as to why they would keep something secret. Same as Flat Earth. What is the purpose of the lie? With UFO's, you can draw all sorts of logical conclusions as to why thy would lie about it. Bigfoot and Flat Earth? What's the "theory" on the purpose of the conspiracy?

 

[KnockoutsGalore]

But why would they lie about that? What is detrimental to their..."power" or whatever, to lie about the existence of Bigfoot?

Usually CT's about the shadowy government, involves some kind of end goal, as to why they would keep something secret. Same as Flat Earth. What is the purpose of the lie? With UFO's, you can draw all sorts of logical conclusions as to why thy would lie about it. Bigfoot and Flat Earth? What's the "theory" on the purpose of the conspiracy?

They lie because they lie. If you haven't been paying attention to BearGrounds, they lie. That's all.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

You also came in here accusing me, if indirectly of emotionalism and going with “gut reactions”. Now I’m watching you write long posts about how you not only believe in God, but know he exists as a fact. I don’t care that you believe in God. Many intelligent scientists actually do. But you can’t come in here correcting people on their “science” and write statements like that.

It's not an accusation it's a description. You've been one of the worst posters I've ever seen in my entire time on sherdog. I really genuinely thought you were responding to the wrong person at first.

I'm not sure if you're incapable of reading and responding to people's thoughts or just unwilling, but either way it's impossible to have a conversation that way

If you want to keep having a conversation with me, go back to the last three or four posts I've written to you and respond intelligently to all of it. Otherwise, I hope you have just a wonderful great day man.

 

[BearGrounds]

But why would they lie about that? What is detrimental to their..."power" or whatever, to lie about the existence of Bigfoot?

Usually CT's about the shadowy government, involves some kind of end goal, as to why they would keep something secret. Same as Flat Earth. What is the purpose of the lie? With UFO's, you can draw all sorts of logical conclusions as to why thy would lie about it. Bigfoot and Flat Earth? What's the "theory" on the purpose of the conspiracy?

Depends on who you talk to. There are various theories ranging from the far out, to the rather mundane.

Mostly people believe it's just about money. Multiple industries would be disrupted. Forestry and logging, real estate, state and national park services (which haul in big money annually).

It would be a complete cluster fuck of epic proportions if they admitted its existence at this point. In addition to the business issues, all of the people who had friends and family go missing in national/state parks are going to ask questions and cause problems. They'd have to write new laws to protect the creatures, and poaching would be an absolute nightmare to deal with.

They already have divisions to deal with the problematic ones, and keeping it hush hush has seemed to work like a charm thus far. The only growing issue is the ever encroaching human population that are all now carrying cameras in their pockets. It's certainly getting harder for them to keep the lid on things.

And just to mention one of the more wild theories that float around CT land - their DNA indicates/may confirm that we're an artificially created hybrid creature.

 

[OneOfOne]

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying that the more complex the conspiracy gets, the more difficult it is to hide and pull off. And when using Occam's razor, the mainstream explanation often is far more believable than the conspiracy.

Need I remind you of the Manhattan project?

 

[KnockoutsGalore]

The good ol' "fact depends on who you ask" argument.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Need I remind you of the Manhattan project?

Sure, let's go over it again. While challenging, keeping the Manhattan Project a secret was feasible given the structure of the military and the clear mandate for wartime secrecy. In contrast, conspiracy theories like Bigfoot or UFOs often involve disparate claims, scattered evidence, and a diverse range of individuals and organizations, making comprehensive secrecy much more difficult to achieve and maintain.

In the case of the Manhattan Project, secrecy was driven by national security concerns during a world war and the need for secrecy was clear. In contrast, conspiracy theories often involve speculation about government cover-ups or suppression of information for reasons that may be less clear or compelling. Without a clear, universally accepted rationale for secrecy, maintaining it becomes much more challenging.

 

[Blayt7hh]

It's not an accusation it's a description. You've been one of the worst posters I've ever seen in my entire time on sherdog. I really genuinely thought you were responding to the wrong person at first.

I'm not sure if you're incapable of reading and responding to people's thoughts or just unwilling, but either way it's impossible to have a conversation that way

If you want to keep having a conversation with me, go back to the last three or four posts I've written to you and respond intelligently to all of it. Otherwise, I hope you have just a wonderful great day man.

Well it’s not a description it’s flat out wrong. It was another example I chose to ignore at the time mostly because it was only going to heat up the conversation. It was frankly insulting and I let it pass. You literally dismissed the jokes a punched in the Bigfoot theory with “I don’t think those are very good arguments”. No why you think that.

You wrongly attributed my melodramatic response “you’re asking me to believe” with me saying you believed. At the time I didn’t think you believed in Bigfoot because you kept playing this devils advocate angle in a conversation you entered to defend another poster on. But then later I see you sharing a personal anecdote about your own Bigfoot encounter. I really don’t know how you expect anyone who followed this thread to square that.

I think most of your complaint is coming from when I did in fact quote two of you together because you were making similar arguments. So no not everything in that post was directly responding to you. He seemed to get it though.

If you don’t want to talk to me anymore I really don’t care that much. I know you think you’ve made great points but I’ve watched you dismiss my arguments and respond with actual pseudoscience. Now you’ve devolved into lecturing people about faith. I do think you come into these conversations with a lot more arrogance than you realize.

 

[Blayt7hh]

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying that the more complex the conspiracy gets, the more difficult it is to hide and pull off. And when using Occam's razor, the mainstream explanation often is far more believable than the conspiracy.

I brought this exact argument up before. The answer those two I’ve been arguing with gave me was that Occam’s is not a thing and that the simplest explanation to everything is a government cover up anyways.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

There are factions (people within the DOI for example) aware of their existence, but officially they will not admit to it. Call them up and they will deny having any knowledge of the creature being real. That's there position.

Your answer is fair, though. I don't begrudge anyone who keeps an open mind about it, while being skeptical. Objective skepticism is understandable, but that's not what most of these people are exhibiting in here.

Have you shown a healthy skepticism to your position? You state that this is fact:

"There are factions (people within the DOI for example) aware of their existence, but officially they will not admit to it. Call them up and they will deny having any knowledge of the creature being real. That's there position."

Could it possible that you're wrong here?

 

[BearGrounds]

Have you shown a healthy skepticism to your position? You state that this is fact:

"There are factions (people within the DOI for example) aware of their existence, but officially they will not admit to it. Call them up and they will deny having any knowledge of the creature being real. That's there position."

Could it possible that you're wrong here?

I can't bring you someone from the DOI to prove it, no.

I find it nearly impossible for certain factions not to know, however. It just wouldn't make sense that they'd have no clue.

Could I be wrong? Sure, but not likely.

How about you, could you be wrong, and the creature extant while being covered up?

 

[BearGrounds]

I brought this exact argument up before. The answer those two I’ve been arguing with gave me was that Occam’s is not a thing and that the simplest explanation to everything is a government cover up anyways.

Why do you have to keep lying, if your position is so strong, and we're so dumb?

I clearly responded to that post acknowledging that Occam's Razor is a thing, I just applied it in a way contrary to your beliefs.

Do you think people can't go back and see that, and realize you're full of shit?

 

[lsa]

If the earth is flat I am pretty sure Trump would have "truthed" about it.
There is noway he would be able to shut up about it.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

I can't bring you someone from the DOI to prove it, no.

I find it nearly impossible for certain factions not to know, however. It just wouldn't make sense that they'd have no clue.

Could I be wrong? Sure, but not likely.

How about you, could you be wrong, and the creature extant while being covered up?

Absolutely I could be wrong, there could be a cover up, as they've happened in the past. I'd need to see a clear mandate and reason like wartime secrecy to consider it though.

But again, when you say:

"I find it nearly impossible for certain factions not to know, however. It just wouldn't make sense that they'd have no clue."

You're stating that the animal does exist, but it's minutely possible that government officials don't know about it. I'm also asking, is it possible that the animal doesn't exist at all?

 

[KnockoutsGalore]

Absolutely I could be wrong, there could be a cover up, as they've happened in the past. But again, when you say:

"I find it nearly impossible for certain factions not to know, however. It just wouldn't make sense that they'd have no clue."

You're stating that the animal does exist, but it's minutely possible that government officials don't know about it. I'm also asking, is it possible that the animal doesn't exist at all?

He 'understands' that it exists. But he can't KNOW it exists, because there is no irrefutable proof, covered up by the government or otherwise.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Why do you have to keep lying, if your position is so strong, and we're so dumb?

I clearly responded to that post acknowledging that Occam's Razor is a thing, I just applied it in a way contrary to your beliefs.

Do you think people can't go back and see that, and realize you're full of shit?

I said “the two of you”. Which one do you think you are?

I did in fact say that you applied it, wrongly.

I also never said you were dumb. Why are you lying? Do you think people can’t go back and see that, and realize that you’re full of shit?

 

[BearGrounds]

I said “the two of you”. Which one do you think you are?

I did in fact say that you applied it, wrongly.

I also never said you were dumb. Why are you lying? Do you think people can’t go back and see that, and realize that you’re full of shit?

You may not have used that word specifically, but you clearly implied it numerous times, and in various ways.

That post was a response to me, so if you weren't referring to me as one of those people, you shouldn't have quoted it without making that clear.