Rampage explains how outer space is a hoax

[sickc0d3r]

I only mentioned it to make a point, that should have been clear to you. I have no interest in convincing anybody that Hitler survived.

Science people are prone to believe whatever the government lets them believe.

"Science people"? You mean, people that don't fall for everything they're told by 4-chan and youtube grifters?

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I tend to agree with this statement, but Leftists need to be added to the list.
Theyre the only ones that think you can change your gender by putting a dress on and can’t define what a woman is.

another area where we can agree...

check out the above interview with wolfgang man.... its ridiculous and check out his two part interview on the same channel where he lays out his new theory of consciousness based on quantum physics. and yes... it is either published in legit publications or in the process of getting published.

I don't care if he is right or wrong about it.... its the thought processes that blow me away.

 

[dirtypablo]

This is still a feeling. No matter how "reproducible" you claim it to be, there's no basis of true external measurement and observation. I like you, really, I do. But I'm not going to continue having this conversation. You can't base facts in feelings and claim it to be knowledge. I'm not going to change your mind about what you "know" and you aren't going to change mind that your feelings, however many other people have claimed to have them, makes something factual.

The problem with this conversation is that the core of what @terrapin is talking about are really maps of the contents and nature of the human mind, and that is being extrapolated to beliefs or statements about the physical or external world. You're saying there's no knowledge here, but there is - it's just not necessarily knowledge about the external world, its knowledge about what kinds of things can be found in your mind, and how to get to them. Spiritual practices involve specific repeatable processes that produce self reported similar results - this is about as good as we can ever hope for when it comes to any sort of science of the mind. You teach me a tool to use in investigating or training my mind, I use it and report back the results. If the results are consistent across large numbers of people, there's knowledge about the mind there - we may not know all the details about what that knowledge means, but there is still knowledge there. It is important to note that the 'results' alluded to above include not just reports of the contents of specific experiences, but also deeper levels of understanding the very nature of experience itself.

He may believe that this knowledge does in fact say things about the physical world or other externally existing systems, but that's not really the point. I'm speaking for him but what I think he is getting at is that whether or not you personally believe this knowledge corresponds physical world* is irrelevant. The knowledge exists and can be reliably found through various spiritual traditions. As a person who does these types of practices, I can say that regardless of what you believe, the deep exploration of spiritual practices or your mind is well worth it - what you find can radically change how you experience life for the better.

Edit : To clarify this statement above "You're saying there's no knowledge here", you may be purely referring to his statements implying knowledge of the physical world, the point of my post was just to chime in that there is in fact a valid form of knowledge here.

 

[KnockoutsGalore]

The problem with this conversation is that the core of what @terrapin is talking about are really maps of the contents and nature of the human mind, and that is being extrapolated to beliefs or statements about the physical or external world. You're saying there's no knowledge here, but there is - it's just not necessarily knowledge about the external world, its knowledge about what kinds of things can be found in your mind, and how to get to them. Spiritual practices involve specific repeatable processes that produce self reported similar results - this is about as good as we can ever hope for when it comes to any sort of science of the mind. You teach me a tool to use in investigating or training my mind, I use it and report back the results. If the results are consistent across large numbers of people, there's knowledge about the mind there - we may not know all the details about what that knowledge means, but there is still knowledge there. It is important to note that the 'results' alluded to above include not just reports of the contents of specific experiences, but also deeper levels of understanding the very nature of experience itself.

He may believe that this knowledge does in fact say things about the physical world or other externally existing systems, but that's not really the point. I'm speaking for him but what I think he is getting at is that whether or not you personally believe this knowledge corresponds physical world* is irrelevant. The knowledge exists and can be reliably found through various spiritual traditions. As a person who does these types of practices, I can say that regardless of what you believe, the deep exploration of spiritual practices or your mind is well worth it - what you find can radically change how you experience life for the better.

Edit : To clarify this statement above "You're saying there's no knowledge here", you may be purely referring to his statements implying knowledge of the physical world, the point of my post was just to chime in that there is in fact a valid form of knowledge here.

Whether or not it is 'well worth it' and whether or not we can use this as factual knowledge to claim, without question, that God exists are two completely different things.

Feeling isn't fact. Anyone who says different is selling you something or stupid.

 

[BearGrounds]

Which is the difference between Scientists and 'science people'. Or, if Scientist is too centric on those who perform their own experiments, Science People and 'science people'.

But saying that everyone that believes in science are prone to believe what a government lets them is foolish and closed minded.

I'm obviously being facetious when I say "science people".

And just a friendly reminder:

"Science people"? You mean, people that don't fall for everything they're told by 4-chan and youtube grifters?

No, I don't.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

This thread is the holy grail of stupud. CT conspiracy tards, flat earthers, and Trump supporters

there's some globies in here too. morons. everybody knows the earth is thicc.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Same could be said for the official story of Hitler's death, like I've pointed out. But you'll find many of the people who scoff at the CT folk, having absolutely no problem believing that one.

Why? Daddy government told em to, and they listened like the trained mutts that they are.

I think that healthy skepticism is a good thing, and sometimes corruption and conspiracies do happen. Let me ask you, do you think that skepticism can sometimes go to far, and people can see conspiracies when there are none?

 

[BearGrounds]

I think that healthy skepticism is a good thing, and sometimes corruption and conspiracies do happen. Let me ask you, do you think that skepticism can sometimes go to far, and people can see conspiracies when there are none?

Without question.

Some of that is even by design.

For example, everyone in the CT community understands that controlled opposition exists (government agency plants, propped up, and put into the community to mislead, obfuscate, etc.).

It's done to confuse those within, as well as to make the community look stupid to outsiders (so that said outsiders do not investigate).

People fall for these intentional traps (which definitely exist), but there's also organically derived CTs that go off of the rails, so I'm not saying that every crazy CT is a controlled op.

 

[Streeter]

I can agree there's a good chance we live in a sim as that makes sense .

 

[Deleted member 577981]

The problem with this conversation is that the core of what @terrapin is talking about are really maps of the contents and nature of the human mind, and that is being extrapolated to beliefs or statements about the physical or external world. You're saying there's no knowledge here, but there is - it's just not necessarily knowledge about the external world, its knowledge about what kinds of things can be found in your mind, and how to get to them. Spiritual practices involve specific repeatable processes that produce self reported similar results - this is about as good as we can ever hope for when it comes to any sort of science of the mind. You teach me a tool to use in investigating or training my mind, I use it and report back the results. If the results are consistent across large numbers of people, there's knowledge about the mind there - we may not know all the details about what that knowledge means, but there is still knowledge there. It is important to note that the 'results' alluded to above include not just reports of the contents of specific experiences, but also deeper levels of understanding the very nature of experience itself.

He may believe that this knowledge does in fact say things about the physical world or other externally existing systems, but that's not really the point. I'm speaking for him but what I think he is getting at is that whether or not you personally believe this knowledge corresponds physical world* is irrelevant. The knowledge exists and can be reliably found through various spiritual traditions. As a person who does these types of practices, I can say that regardless of what you believe, the deep exploration of spiritual practices or your mind is well worth it - what you find can radically change how you experience life for the better.

Edit : To clarify this statement above "You're saying there's no knowledge here", you may be purely referring to his statements implying knowledge of the physical world, the point of my post was just to chime in that there is in fact a valid form of knowledge here.

This is very well said and should clarify things for him I think. I always appreciate your insight into the contemplative dimension.

However I must insist on the fact that miracles prove it's not just an experience of the mind. I have experienced enough miracles that change people and physical environments to know that we are not just discussing psychological states.

But everything else you said is extremely well stated and much appreciated.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Without question.

Some of that is even by design.

For example, everyone in the CT community understands that controlled opposition exists (government agency plants, propped up, and put into the community to mislead, obfuscate, etc.).

It's done to confuse those within, as well as to make the community look stupid to outsiders (so that said outsiders do not investigate).

People fall for these intentional traps (which definitely exist), but there's also organically derived CTs that go off of the rails, so I'm not saying that every crazy CT is a controlled op.

Do you have any examples of ones that you believe have gone off the rails?

 

[BearGrounds]

Do you have any examples of ones that you believe have gone off the rails?

Lizard people gets pretty wild. I don't really mess with that one.

Your turn. What conspiracies do you think could be true?

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Lizard people gets pretty wild. I don't really mess with that one.

Your turn. What conspiracies do you think could be true?

I've been a Project Manager, and I know how difficult it is to get 10-20 people to accomplish a task never the less hundreds or even thousands so I tend to use Occam's razor when evaluating. I'm much more skeptical of theories that require elaborate explanations or rely on improbable scenarios and thousands of people. That being said, out of all the popular conspiracy theories I've heard, probably the JFK multiple shooter theory is the least outlandish. Also, some of the smaller military false flags operations, are not only possible, they've already happened (Gulf of Tonkin, WMD in Iraq). Generally, the smaller a conspiracy theory is, the more probable it usually becomes.

 

[Jar of Flies]

I love how the term “science people” is being used as an insult in this thread.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I love how the term “science people” is being used as an insult in this thread.

read through it. it is true that some of the biggest bullshit blunders have been posted buy the so called "science" crew. its been an absolute shit show man.

read the last 6 pages carefully and you will see it. we expect the ct crew to be crazy but the people that supposedly come in the name of reason?

 

[Blayt7hh]

Same could be said for the official story of Hitler's death, like I've pointed out. But you'll find many of the people who scoff at the CT folk, having absolutely no problem believing that one.

Why? Daddy government told em to, and they listened like the trained mutts that they are.

I mean it was Hitlers own people that said he killed himself and they burned the bodies. Not the government. But true to form you’re not letting inconvenient facts get in the way of a good story

 

[Blayt7hh]

you need to respond to what I actually write not what you THINK i say after skimming. so far you are one of the worst posters for this I've ever seen man.... its like you are taking to the wrong person most the time... I never implied I am one of those greater minds!! ffs dude. just read more slowly ok? I DONT think I'm very smart actually.... I really don't. I think slowly and have to take more time than most to process info. its just not something that I have ever been attached too or gained self esteem off of. I'm more the tough guy type that took false pride in being able to kick someones ass. I'm not the brain guy. I WISH I had identified with intelligence instead... I would have had a better life!!

as far as when to stop giving credence I think the answer is going to vary from person to person on that. I think it does require actually taking in information that is available like with bigfoot and Jeff meldrum, and the long list of contemporary accounts and the long list of indigenous accounts too. BUT I have never argued for the necessity of my position. I'm not even attached to my position and argue against it often. I only argue that it is a reasoned one and it is reasonable and that mocking is NOT in order.

you can draw the line anywhere you want on all of these things imo. but if we are arguing for reason I would guess that saying there is no evidence for bigfoot without reading the evidence is not a reasoned stance.

I vaguely remember accusing you of some hubris but I think that was when you pretended to be certain about something you cant have certainty about and that would be hubris. but if that is not the case post where I did and you will receive a genuine and sincere apology. I mean that.

to your other point about me not defending against the ct people.. I guess I don't like punching down. I'm not that type. I prefer love and kindness and gentle prodding in better directions than attacking them. but as I've already said... I expect those who claim reason as their guide to be driven by reason and not emotion and I expect them to be rigorous in their offerings and that is sadly and tragically often not the case when it comes to fringe topics as I have demonstrated with the Jeff Meldrum stuff.

the division is real though and social media is a big part of it and the toxicity is really who you become when you spend time online being toxic and it does hurt people and I think there has to be something missing in any human being that cannot see it. its being spoken about by many of today's intellectuals....

also it would be nicer if you engaged all of my thought rather than just shotgunning little things all the time. that's not a discussion and you are not here to interrogate me dude.

I didn’t skim your post I was sharing my thoughts after having read several of your posts. That’s not necessarily from the post I quoted, such as me saying I think I offended you. That’s coming from me making fun of Bigfoot believers. I saw your story about something that could have been Bigfoot yeeting rocks into the lake on your retreat.

I don’t know what you think I’m “pretending” to be certain about. I am damn certain Bigfoot doesn’t exist unless you think he is paranormal because no species can exist the way he has to exist to have avoided real legitimate evidence for this long. I mean if he’s been being sighted for thousands of years there’s no way there’s not a body of a giant apeman species that we’ve been unable to find. Think about how many of them there would have to have been that lived and died to maintain a viable population through that whole time.

I’m also damn certain that video of a flying triangle was fake. I don’t need science to figure that out. That’s using good old logic and reasoning.

I don’t respond to everything because I don’t always have time too and sometimes I’m frankly not interested. I’m not interested in Jeff Meldrum. I googled him for a few minutes and didn’t really care because I saw nothing concrete once again and I already know that Bigfoot can’t exist unless he’s a damn ghost animal running around. I don’t know to spirit animals leave footprints? Maybe he’s on to something if they do.

I’m still not sure what divide you’re talking about unless you’re talking about the political divide. I’m of the opinion that social media is a blight one society. In fact I rail on about it all the time in here including earlier today in the Hamas thread. I just think there are bigger problems with it than the mean taunting that goes on.

 

[volodya]

I didn’t skim your post I was sharing my thoughts after having read several of your posts. That’s not necessarily from the post I quoted, such as me saying I think I offended you. That’s coming from me making fun of Bigfoot believers. I saw your story about something that could have been Bigfoot yeeting rocks into the lake on your retreat.

I don’t know what you think I’m “pretending” to be certain about. I am damn certain Bigfoot doesn’t exist unless you think he is paranormal because no species can exist the way he has to exist to have avoided real legitimate evidence for this long. I mean if he’s been being sighted for thousands of years there’s no way there’s not a body of a giant apeman species that we’ve been unable to find. Think about how many of them there would have to have been that lived and died to maintain a viable population through that whole time.

I’m also damn certain that video of a flying triangle was fake. I don’t need science to figure that out. That’s using good old logic and reasoning.

I don’t respond to everything because I don’t always have time too and sometimes I’m frankly not interested. I’m not interested in Jeff Meldrum. I googled him for a few minutes and didn’t really care because I saw nothing concrete once again and I already know that Bigfoot can’t exist unless he’s a damn ghost animal running around. I don’t know to spirit animals leave footprints? Maybe he’s on to something if they do.

I’m still not sure what divide you’re talking about unless you’re talking about the political divide. I’m of the opinion that social media is a blight one society. In fact I rail on about it all the time in here including earlier today in the Hamas thread. I just think there are bigger problems with it than the mean taunting that goes on.

Yeah but what about these "Bigfoot experts" bruh?

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I didn’t skim your post I was sharing my thoughts after having read several of your posts. That’s not necessarily from the post I quoted, such as me saying I think I offended you. That’s coming from me making fun of Bigfoot believers. I saw your story about something that could have been Bigfoot yeeting rocks into the lake on your retreat.

I don’t know what you think I’m “pretending” to be certain about. I am damn certain Bigfoot doesn’t exist unless you think he is paranormal because no species can exist the way he has to exist to have avoided real legitimate evidence for this long. I mean if he’s been being sighted for thousands of years there’s no way there’s not a body of a giant apeman species that we’ve been unable to find. Think about how many of them there would have to have been that lived and died to maintain a viable population through that whole time.

I’m also damn certain that video of a flying triangle was fake. I don’t need science to figure that out. That’s using good old logic and reasoning.

I don’t respond to everything because I don’t always have time too and sometimes I’m frankly not interested. I’m not interested in Jeff Meldrum. I googled him for a few minutes and didn’t really care because I saw nothing concrete once again and I already know that Bigfoot can’t exist unless he’s a damn ghost animal running around. I don’t know to spirit animals leave footprints? Maybe he’s on to something if they do.

I’m still not sure what divide you’re talking about unless you’re talking about the political divide. I’m of the opinion that social media is a blight one society. In fact I rail on about it all the time in here including earlier today in the Hamas thread. I just think there are bigger problems with it than the mean taunting that goes on.

Ok. If you can't be bothered to respond thoroughly I wont either.

 

[BearGrounds]

I've been a Project Manager, and I know how difficult it is to get 10-20 people to accomplish a task never the less hundreds or even thousands so I tend to use Occam's razor when evaluating. I'm much more skeptical of theories that require elaborate explanations or rely on improbable scenarios and thousands of people.

This is pretty much nonsense, though. Just because you can't do it, it can't be done?

All you need is a few key people in a few key places to deny the public physical proof, and the word of thousands means nothing (you know, like how you guys don't accept whistleblowers or eyewitnesses as evidence).

I'm baffled how you guys can think that nothing can be kept secret, when it's obvious that classified stuff stays secret every day. NDAs are forced to be signed all of the time.

The Chinese don't have our aircraft carrier specs, for example.

I mean it was Hitlers own people that said he killed himself and they burned the bodies. Not the government. But true to form you’re not letting inconvenient facts get in the way of a good story

So do you believe the word of the Nazis (without any evidence)?

The government went with that narrative, genius.

Not surprised you unquestionably believe it, though. Thanks for playing, science fraud.