Social Putin or Trudeau?

[ReligiousDiscipline]

I think Justin beats him in a boxing match

 

[wlu.29]

Journalists should be imprisoned and politicians executed when they break the law and deliberately mislead the public. It is ridiculous what most politicians and journalists get away with. Journalists and politicians should be afraid to act corrupt. Scumbags like Trudeau are far too bold and comfortable with their ethics violations and corruption.

You should move to Russia, seems like your values align

 

[BFoe]

Journalists should be imprisoned and politicians executed when they break the law and deliberately mislead the public. It is ridiculous what most politicians and journalists get away with. Journalists and politicians should be afraid to act corrupt. Scumbags like Trudeau are far too bold and comfortable with their ethics violations and corruption.

How do you determine it’s “deliberate,” out of curiosity? FOX pretty clearly intentionally misled the public on things like Uranium One and January 6. I’m interested to learn more about your plan to imprison Carlson and Hannity.

 

[GolovKing]

Political conservatives have done not much lately outside of reacting to whatever the left does. Conservatives don't want their ideal future to look like The Handmaid's Tale, a silly book written by a very overrated Canadian author. Most conservatives want a future where people worship money, big business and the completely deregulated free-market.

The real future is going to look far more religious considering it is religious people having children while the so-called progressives are having abortions, fighting for the "right" to kill their unborn children, injecting hormones in their confused kid and buying lapdogs instead of having children. Leftardism is not sustainable because it openly hates the family, motherhood and children. You can't maintain an ideology without children.

It's not very sustainable but it's easily spreadable and I suspect will be more prominent outside of the west in due time

 

[BFoe]

What a fucking insane thread this is.
you righties understand we’re taking about Putin, right? The butcher of Crimea? The dude about to invade yet another country? Cold-blooded lifelong KGB agent who plunders his county’s assets, has a dictatorial grip on their press, and murders his opponents?
And you guys would prefer that to Trudeau because Trudeau is too much of a bleeding heart liberal? <45>
Holy fuck, look at how the conservatives—those who stood with Reagan as he tried to end communism—have flipped all the way to the other side, and would accept and even embrace a dictator.
You guys stamp your feet and cry over having to wear a mask in a grocery store FFS, but you’re cool with a cold-blooded violent dictator? Wow. Just wow.

 

[jeremyemilio]

Which one would you rather have in charge of your country? I know most people on the left would prefer Trudeau, but what about people on the right? Putin is a strong leader and not affected by political correctness, but he is also an authoritarian and extremely violent.

Why would people on the Right prefer Putin? Putin is a hell of a lot further Left than Trudeau.

 

[GolovKing]

Why would people on the Right prefer Putin? Putin is a hell of a lot further Left than Trudeau.

He's more authoritarian than Trudeau but I'm not sure he would be considered the left, especially with how the west defines the left these days. Putin is socially more conservate than most American conservatives. They both are against free speech in different ways. Putin more bluntly won't let you criticize him or his polices. Trudeau polices people's speech by telling them what they can and can't say regarding certain topics or protected classes. From what I understand gun laws in Russia are actually looser than what Trudeau would like to do in Canada as well

 

[moreorless87]

Not really directly compariable are they? Trudeau pretty dime a dozen establishment liberal, riles some conservatives and plays into the cultural war fantasy but really has had almost zero significant effect on the world.

 

[Bald1]

Deserving of respect? What kind of respect, precisely?

He's ruthless and dangerous. Doesn't mean I think he's some sort of a great person.

 

[Wet Blanket]

You should move to Russia, seems like your values align

Sounds like he loves him some fascism.

 

[Wet Blanket]

Not really directly compariable are they? Trudeau pretty dime a dozen establishment liberal, riles some conservatives and plays into the cultural war fantasy but really has had almost zero significant effect on the world.

He's really not any different than any other Canadian PM in recent history.

 

[Andy Capp]

He's ruthless and dangerous. Doesn't mean I think he's some sort of a great person.

I guess we have different understanding of the term respect.

 

[Wet Blanket]

Why would people on the Right prefer Putin? Putin is a hell of a lot further Left than Trudeau.

 

[Andy Capp]

Not really directly compariable are they? Trudeau pretty dime a dozen establishment liberal, riles some conservatives and plays into the cultural war fantasy but really has had almost zero significant effect on the world.

Not to mention there are plenty of people "on the left" who aren't happy with him either. When that happens and things are going decently well (see above for the receipts) it usually means you're doing something right.

 

[moreorless87]

Not to mention there are plenty of people "on the left" who aren't happy with him either. When that happens and things are going decently well (see above for the receipts) it usually means you're doing something right.

Nah, not for me, I think suppression of genuinely socialist choices in the west is a lot of the reason for the rise of the far right, "centralists" in power inevitable shift politics to the right.

I don't think he's really anything exceptional their though, certainly much less offencive than someone like Macron.

 

[Andy Capp]

What a fucking insane thread this is.
you righties understand we’re taking about Putin, right? The butcher of Crimea? The dude about to invade yet another country? Cold-blooded lifelong KGB agent who plunders his county’s assets, has a dictatorial grip on their press, and murders his opponents?
And you guys would prefer that to Trudeau because Trudeau is too much of a bleeding heart liberal? <45>
Holy fuck, look at how the conservatives—those who stood with Reagan as he tried to end communism—have flipped all the way to the other side, and would accept and even embrace a dictator.
You guys stamp your feet and cry over having to wear a mask in a grocery store FFS, but you’re cool with a cold-blooded violent dictator? Wow. Just wow.

It's just... He's their kind of dictator.

 

[BFoe]

It's just... He's their kind of dictator.

But how can that be? They care so much about freedom!

 

[koquerelle]

You should move to Russia, seems like your values align

That type also shares a lot with radical Muslims. They often would like to see torture and public executions for people who disagree with them. I don't if they're just blowing steam like a drunk at the tavern, but some of them sound like lunatics.

 

[Andy Capp]

Nah, not for me, I think suppression of genuinely socialist choices in the west is a lot of the reason for the rise of the far right, "centralists" in power inevitable shift politics to the right.

I don't think he's really anything exceptional their though, certainly much less offencive than someone like Macron.

To be clear, there's a lot to not like about Trudeau, and I agree with much of it, but a very large part of it has to do with how well he is running the country so these comparisons with dictators who are plundering their country's wealth, escalating international conflicts, all the while driving their countries overall wellbeing into the ground underneath, are the most ridiculous hyperbole since "Obama is a secret Muslim from Kenya".

There is literally nothing wrong with the Canadian economy that the Trudeau government has much control over at the moment aside from waiting far too long for measures to inhibit housing speculation and gaming of the market as far as I am aware. Certainly not inflation. Certainly not employment*. Certainly not debt--worldwide disasters tend to be expensive and our debt to GDP ratio is good in relative terms. Certainly not international trade or the CAD to USD relationship. So what's so bad? And this is coming from me. My business is struggling because I depend upon travel, tourism, and large public events, but even I can see for most people it's pretty damned not bad at all no matter how shitty it is for me personally. It's absolutely baffling.


*source
Labour Force Survey, November 2021
Employment rose by 154,000 (+0.8%) in November and was 186,000 (+1.0%) higher than its pre-COVID February 2020 level. The unemployment rate fell to 6.0%, within 0.3 percentage points of what it was in February 2020.

Employment increased in both the services-producing and goods-producing sectors in November. Both full-time (+80,000; +0.5%) and part-time (+74,000; +2.1%) work increased, and employment gains were spread across six provinces.

Total hours worked increased 0.7% and returned to the pre-pandemic February 2020 level for the first time. Hours rose across most industries, led by manufacturing, wholesale and retail trade, as well as construction. Despite increasing in November, hours in the goods-producing sector were still below their pre-pandemic level (-3.6%). All of the growth compared with February 2020 was in the services-producing sector (+1.3%), most notably in professional scientific and technical services (+12.5%).

November Labour Force Survey (LFS) data reflect labour market conditions during the week of November 7 to 13. Public health measures in place during the reference week were largely similar to those in place in October. In some jurisdictions, most notably in Ontario and Quebec, capacity limits and distancing requirements had been further eased in settings where proof of vaccination is required.

Record high employment rate among core-aged women
More than 8 in 10 (80.7%) core-aged women aged 25 to 54 were employed in November, the highest employment rate recorded since comparable data became available in 1976 and 1.0 percentage points higher than in February 2020. Employment among core-aged women grew 66,000 (+1.1%) in November, primarily in full-time work (+47,000; +0.9%)with growth spread across several industries.

Among core-aged men, employment rose by 48,000 (+0.7%) in November, with gains entirely in full-time work. The employment rate for men aged 25 to 54 increased 0.5 percentage points to 87.1%, which puts it on par with the recent high in September 2019, and 0.5 percentage points higher than in February 2020.

Employment also increased among women aged 55 and older, up by 19,000 (+1.1%) from October. Despite this increase, their employment continued to lag its February 2020 level by 42,000 (-2.2%). Employment was little changed for older men in November, the eighth consecutive month of little growth. While employment for older men has been on par with February 2020 since March 2021, the employment rate—the proportion of the population who are employed—remained 1.2 percentage points lower than its pre-pandemic level, at 40.4% in November.

 

[ReligiousDiscipline]

How do you determine it’s “deliberate,” out of curiosity? FOX pretty clearly intentionally misled the public on things like Uranium One and January 6. I’m interested to learn more about your plan to imprison Carlson and Hannity.

Burying a story about an SUV driving through people at a parade seems like deliberate misleading of the public.