Putin makes Holocaust denial a criminal offence punishable by up to five years in jail.

Should we have laws like this in America?

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Gandhi said:
Credentials required, zero!!!!!!!!

Just like your fake engineer who wrote a report on gas chambers for a renowned Neo Nazis.
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And what are your credentials? What part of Leuchter's report was inacurate?
 
Gandhi said:
That gives him exactly 0% credibility to speak on the holocaust, a fact his university has repeatedly stated.

Should I listen to tax advice from Keenan Cornelius, he is a world BJJ champ after all?

And your shit logic getting pushed in = / = me being a troll.
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Someone that educated knows how to conduct research, unlike inbred buffoons who didn't make it out of high school like yourself.

If Keenan Cornelius studied tax law you could take advice from him without reservation.
 
uptheirons! said:
Someone that educated knows how to conduct research, unlike inbred buffoons who didn't make it out of high school like yourself.

If Keenan Cornelius studied tax law you could take advice from him without reservation.
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Conducting effective and accurate scholarly research requires specific training as a historian by other accredited professionals.
 
Limbo Pete said:
Conducting effective and accurate scholarly research requires specific training as a historian by other accredited professionals.
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I'm sure a lifelong academic who studied at MIT and has been tenured since 1974 can figure out how to research an historical event. And I'm also sure you're aware that there's "trained" historians who've come to similar conclusions, so this argument is pointless.
 
uptheirons! said:
I'm sure a lifelong academic who studied at MIT and has been tenured since 1974 can figure out how to research an historical event. And I'm also sure you're aware that there's "trained" historians who've come to similar conclusions, so this argument is pointless.
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I'm surely sure an electrical engineer is not a historian or even remotely related.
 
Limbo Pete said:
I'm surely sure an electrical engineer is not a historian or even remotely related.
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Ya you're right, that's why historians are paid so much and held in such high regard by society. Clearly their jobs are super complicated and far beyond the mental capacity of the average person, let alone an MIT grad who's been tenured since '74 and invented an algorithm.

It's just reading documents and interpreting them. It's not rocket-science, or say, electrical engineering.
 
Limbo Pete said:
Historians? What do they even do?
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They don't question the Leuchter Report, that's what they do!


That shit didn't even pass the scrutiny of Phil fucking Donahue. We're really seeing a Leuchter apologist in the current year?
 
Fawlty said:
They don't question the Leuchter Report, that's what they do!


That shit didn't even pass the scrutiny of Phil fucking Donahue. We're really seeing a Leuchter apologist in the current year?
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I just can't take any so-called "historian" seriously unless they are also an electrical engineer
 
Wow, well I’ve found this thread interesting. Really not too surprising which posters are the Nazi sympathizers here.
 
uptheirons! said:
Butz is a tenured professor of electrical engineering who studied at MIT and has an algorithm named after him. He has more credibility than a sherdog troll.
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But he DOESN'T have more credibility than the entirety of the world's historians
 
welcometohavoc said:
Exactly. It's better to leave it legal and give the idiots the rope to hang themselves with.
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This is a position I've come to disagree with over the last few years. I think it's actually wrong for its own sake to let them spread Holocaust denial. I think its good for its own sake to silence them. It's wrong that they speak, and it's wrong that they are heard. I no longer feel the need to rationalize on their behalf.

It's the simple fact that criminalizing their speech puts my speech in jeopardy that compels me to allow them theirs. That's it. Fuck them, fuck their ideas, and fuck their couch. They are moral freeriders taking unfair advantage of our goodness. They do not belong in the marketplace of ideas. They deserve to be kicked out of everywhere and everything to the fullest extent of the law.
 
uptheirons! said:
Someone that educated knows how to conduct research, unlike inbred buffoons who didn't make it out of high school like yourself.

If Keenan Cornelius studied tax law you could take advice from him without reservation.
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Yeah I’m an inbred Buffoon becuase I know that being an electrical engineer does not qualify one as an expert on the holocaust.

Just like your fake engineer doing pseudo chemical analysis at nazis death camps to generate research for Neo Nazis, real reputable stuff. Tell us more about the Leuchter Report you asshat.

Keenan had to be a smart guy to do so well, I’m sure he could figure this tax stuff out, durrrrr.

Since you are giving so much weight to his expertise why are you at the same time ignoring the entire faculty who rejected his work? Being an expert in anything is good enough for you if the person is a denier, otherwise they are just mouth pieces of propaganda, right?

And LOL at high school drop out, any time you want to compare dicks just let me know, I’m sure we can figure something out.
 
RE: Historians/David Irving

Okay, you crazies got me. Have any of you read what David Irving has written? Or what he actually believes? I never heard of the guy until this thread and it turns out he was a very respected historian for years. The NY Times at one point praised him as this brilliant young historian. He was living the high life in a beautiful residence and was driving a Rolls, all from his research and writing. Much of his work is still taught as fact today.

We are talking about a British guy who moved to Germany to work in a factory as a means of learning the language. He then befriended many of Hitler's friends and relatives and recorded first hand accounts. He procured an amazing amount of documentation, 100s of 1000s of pages, many he originally gave to the German archives.

This is the man who exposed Hitler's diaries as forgeries.

The point? Until he claimed that nobody died in a gas chamber at Auschwitz, he was a real and cutting edge historian, not like all the mainstream historians who for years have just repeated what they have learned from previous generations. The man did his own research, he spent hours interviewing those who were there and he procured and translated the documents themselves that he based his conclusions on.

So, why would a guy that seemed at the top of the world decide to make such a crazy claim? I have no idea, but I sure as hell know that he didn't need to be imprisoned for it.

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I also looked into this Fred Leuchter guy. He never claimed to be a licensed engineer, which is what everyone seems to get stuck on. He was 'a,' if not 'the' leading gas chamber expert in America. He designed them for prisons here in America. His conclusions have been verified by other scientists.

Nothing, as far as I can see that this man claimed, proves the Holocaust didn't happen and anyone who says it does is an idiot.
 
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