Putin makes Holocaust denial a criminal offence punishable by up to five years in jail.

Should we have laws like this in America?

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Fawlty said:
"You people" are white supremacist worms who idolize a monster, violently hate a entire ethnic group without cause, and seek to spread your message of hatred by any means necessary. Whether by lies, or manipulating vulnerable people, taking over communities, or committing acts of terror against innocents. You attempt to ingratiate yourselves into groups and peel off the weak ones. You marry fat, stupid women. You claim oppression whenever it suits you. You are armed, and you are anticipating and instigating a fight. You are violent people who seek to perpetuate violence. You are cowards, but that does not mean you are not dangerous. The only reason you are not the worst people in the world is because you've righteously had the shit kicked out of you from Berlin to Montgomery to Leith. And the civilized world is going to keep it that way. You are the enemy of civilization.

That is what I mean by "you people."
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Only you can make a heap of horseshit seem poetic.

Stay salty, mein freund.
 
Crazy people should be able to say anything they want. It makes it easier to identify them that way.
 
Gandhi said:
Translation: I only believe the evidence that supports my view becuase it was written on a document by a Nazis, all other evidence is by default speculation.
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Okay, then discuss it with him with documented corrections of his statements and show him the truth of the situation.
 
Viva said:
Typically a claim without any sort of documented evidence behind it is commonly considered speculation.

Why is this so hard to understand?
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Your use of words is laughable. The notion than millions of Jews died in the holocaust and that they were the victims of intentional extermination is supported by mountains of evidence. Yet you are unilaterally calling it all “speculation” becuase you don’t have some ledger from the Nazis with an exact head count.

Instead you are touting the supremacy of a Red Cross report, that even the Red Cross says is being used inaccurately, becuase it uses, gasp, documents found from a handful of camps from documents available from their final days of operation.

Again evidence you like, even if your own source is telling you it’s being interpreted incorrectly, is rock solid becuase it’s based on
DOCUMENTS, while all other evidence is speculation.

It’s horseshit, and while I certainly won’t sully myself by playing flat earther with you on each piece of evidence, when you spout this crap, I’ll be happy to point readers to a more obvious and saner narrative.
 
Bamboozled said:
Okay, then discuss it with him with documented corrections of his statements and show him the truth of the situation.
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His own source has already been refuted numerous times in this thread, and his response is that it’s still better than all the other evidence out there, becuase documents.

Not sure what more are you expecting here? Why don’t you go point for point with a flat earther or a 911 truther? People disconnected with reality due to hateful ideologies are already getting too much of my air time. I don’t support silencing them, but I feel perfectly within my rights to call them assholes without jumping full on into the rabbit hole with them.
 
Kafir-kun said:
That's makes sense, thanks for the input.

I understand this argument but at the same time opening the door for such an exception kind undermines the absolutist argument for freedom of speech that some liberals like to make if they do indeed hold this view. For the Germans and French this might be their historically sensitive topic but other countries have their own historically sensitive issues. Someone like Douglas Murray will make this argument about the special sensitivities surrounding Holocaust denial and then criticize Muslims for criminalizing certain speech regarding their past.

Now to be fair, the blasphemy laws in Muslim countries aren't entirely analogous to Holocaust denial laws and, to put it very lightly, they're punished more harshly so Pakistan and Germany are not exactly in the same league in terms of freedom of speech restrictions. But I think in a general sense both are justified because of a specific cultural sensitivity regarding a specific historical period.

I feel similarly about Holocaust denial as I do Bigfoot

Do I think its possible that Bigfoot exists/that certain details about the official Holocaust narrative are inflated or distorted? Yes

Do I believe Bigfoot exists/ that certain details about the official Holocaust narrative are inflated or distorted? Not until I'm convinced otherwise with evidence..

And tbh I rarely ever feel like jumping down either rabbit hole and if I do jump into one it'll probably be the Bigfoot one.

What did the communists do to America that is anywhere near what the Nazis did to Russia?
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If you are interested about freedom of speech and Russian laws - not so long ago guy was fined because he posted on his social media picture (which you can see in books about history in schools) of Soviet soldiers throwing Nazi flags on road. It's public demonstration of Nazi symbols (or symbols that resembels them) and you can't show them because people whos relatives died from Nazi's hands can see this picture and they can get offended by it (according to Constitutional Court of Russia).
Also look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Stalin#Russian_reaction And they didn't mentioned it but as far as i remember police is investigating is there extremism in this movie and if they find it, film will be banned in Russia.
 
Russia sucks. Why is this a surprise?

No European country would be dumb enough to do this
 
Fawlty said:
That would be nice if antisemitism wasn't a deeper problem, but that does not reflect reality. It always manifests itself in violence, segregation, nationalist extremism, etc. Jews, like them or not, have endured this treatment for centuries and only post-Hitler have they had something approaching a respite. I don't believe they slaved away on the pyramids, but they have been consistently oppressed and assaulted for being Jewish, for a very, very long time. Antisemitism is a special kind of mental disorder and needs to be snuffed out of this world. Vigilance is absolutely required.
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anti-semitism is not a special kind of mental disorder. Its just as any other retardation of extreme hate towards a specific group. The term itself doesn't even make sense since the word should logically include non Jewish people who are semites.
 
tramendous said:
anti-semitism is not a special kind of mental disorder. Its just as any other retardation of extreme hate towards a specific group. The term itself doesn't even make sense since the word should logically include non Jewish people who are semites.
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It's clearly not like other forms of group hatred. That's almost impossibly obvious. What is your specific interest in being obtuse about that?
 
I still dont understand why Lefties in the West dont like Putin. Except for gay propaganda law he is their man.

The dude is pro-islam, pro-immigration, anti-right and anti-free speech.

Just embrace him already!!!

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cincymma79 said:
Russia sucks. Why is this a surprise?

No European country would be dumb enough to do this
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Gandhi said:
Well if we could actually commit things like a holocaust, this little denier should not really be a dial mover for you.
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It's a "dial mover" because you're apparently a level headed, rational person. Even head German military leaders (Hoess, Ohlendorff, Goering) admitted to targeted genocide of the Jews
 
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