Putin makes Holocaust denial a criminal offence punishable by up to five years in jail.

[Trotsky]

@Viva 's shitposting in this thread turning us usual members of the fuck Israel brigade into Holocaust proselytizers is pretty hilarious.

The enemy of my enemy is not my friend, and I stand with you alone, Lady Reason

Your use of words is laughable. The notion than millions of Jews died in the holocaust and that they were the victims of intentional extermination is supported by mountains of evidence. Yet you are unilaterally calling it all “speculation” becuase you don’t have some ledger from the Nazis with an exact head count.

Instead you are touting the supremacy of a Red Cross report, that even the Red Cross says is being used inaccurately, becuase it uses, gasp, documents found from a handful of camps from documents available from their final days of operation.

Again evidence you like, even if your own source is telling you it’s being interpreted incorrectly, is rock solid becuase it’s based on
DOCUMENTS, while all other evidence is speculation.

It’s horseshit, and while I certainly won’t sully myself by playing flat earther with you on each piece of evidence, when you spout this crap, I’ll be happy to point readers to a more obvious and saner narrative.

Yup, this sums up the thread pretty accurately. I even fronted him 2 million Jews if he could back his claim, and crickets.

 

[Trotsky]

Russia sucks. Why is this a surprise?

No European country would be dumb enough to do this

lol they already do

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

 

[sangreporsangre]

Although the poles did suffer severely under the Nazis, there were a fair share of collaborators. My guess is that's where the sentiment comes from.

I guess the feeling in Poland then is that their entire nation gets blamed by the Jews. Like there's a stain on their collective memory which they feel is undeserved. There's just a lot of tension between them and this legislation has opened up the wounds pretty bad. Now they're having high-level meetings between their governments.

 

[Prutfis]

It is amazing how sensationalized the holocaust is.

Stalin and Mao were responsible for as many as 50 million deaths, historians say.

How many movies about their genocides have you seen? ZERO.

Not to mention the Japanese. They did some pretty horrible shit in their part of the world.

lol they already do

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

Cincy as usual demonstrating he is fucking clueless about Europe.

 

[Spoken]

I have always been a free speech advocate, especially regarding political speech. I don't see a need for these laws. I think they are stupid. I mean, if someone wants to claim the Holocaust never happened, what's the big deal? You can just tell them they are ridiculous and move on.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-denial-of-nazi-crimes-idUSBREA440IV20140505

Has Putin done the right thing? Should we have laws like this in America?

yeah, this stuff is dubious. I think it's important that academic institutions and schools keep that shit out of their building, but it shouldnt be illegal to have different (and wrong) interpretations of history

 

[cincymma79]

lol they already do

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

You’re so smart. Totally catch onto sarcasm easily too

 

[Prutfis]

lol they already do

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

Only you can make a heap of horseshit seem poetic.

Stay salty, mein freund.

You sir are a nimble man and should consider ballet. The way you elegantly dance around every post that has proven your Red Cross number to be a fabrication filled with bullshit is quite amazing. Matrix esque even. but then again, facts are not really your strong point now are they.

 

[Seaside]

Please explain how your numbers can be accurate when until the 1991 there was a plaque at Auschwitz that claimed 4 million died there, but was then replaced with one that dropped the number down to a million? If they can be off by 3 million for 45 years what's to make you think they're not full of shit about the total?

Oh, and they never explained what happened to the 3 million, and still kept the 6 million total. If that doesn't make you at least curious then you're just a simple-minded sheep.

because the 6 million number for jews never said that 4 million of them were auschwitz. in fact that number of '4 million' dead at auswhwitz was supposed to be largely non jews. that 3 million was never said be only jews.

Putin controls oligarchs, not the other way around.
I think it is more to do with Putin trying to strengthen his ties with Israel.

and state security services i think they have power over him should he go insane they would take him out. I do not think it would be possible for Putin to go crazy like Kim jung un.

Although the poles did suffer severely under the Nazis, there were a fair share of collaborators. My guess is that's where the sentiment comes from.

Poles are sensitive because for centuries Poland and the Polish-Lithuanian empires were tolerant places for Jews so they not want be seen as in same view as the germans. Jews were expelled and persecuted in catholic spain, portugal and other areas and parts of west europe, eastern europe became a haven. They were never expelled from poland, ukraine or russia. There was even large settlement area. and yes i know there was expulsion in crimea which was not ukraine at the time. eastern europe they fled to and even parts of the muslim world were at the time more tolerant. But eastern europe remained more tolerant than the muslim world for longer.

 

[chubbman]

What’s the difference between the holocaust and a cow?

You can’t milk a cow for 80 years.

 

[USA!USA!]

Putin has never struck me as the dictatorial type. Or an enemy of free speech. So this is a fucking shocker.

You had me a for a sec. Caught myself. Dammit.

 

[curryjunkie]

so, anyone get dubs?

 

[Islam Imamate]

@AnGrYcRoW
@Snowfist
@jimmas99
@Badger67
@UFC Truck
@danny23
@Seaside

Explain yourselves, why should we have such a law in the US?

 

[HomerThompson]

Not to mention the Japanese. They did some pretty horrible shit in their part of the world.



Cincy as usual demonstrating he is fucking clueless.

FTFY.

 

[danny23]

@AnGrYcRoW
@Snowfist
@jimmas99
@Badger67
@UFC Truck
@danny23
@Seaside

Explain yourselves, why should we have such a law in the US?

I was kidding fam

I do think Holocaust deniers are ignorant fools though.

 

[Quipling]

Poles are sensitive because for centuries Poland and the Polish-Lithuanian empires were tolerant places for Jews so they not want be seen as in same view as the germans. Jews were expelled and persecuted in catholic spain, portugal and other areas and parts of west europe, eastern europe became a haven. They were never expelled from poland, ukraine or russia. There was even large settlement area. and yes i know there was expulsion in crimea which was not ukraine at the time. eastern europe they fled to and even parts of the muslim world were at the time more tolerant. But eastern europe remained more tolerant than the muslim world for longer.

This is a weird post.
Yes, Poland was a relative haven for jews, but suggest that the rest of eastern Europe was similarly tolerant is something else entirely. Especially in light of the fact that Poland/the Polish-Lithuanian Empire's relatively tolerant policies became a bit moot after it's annexation in the 18th century. At which point polish jews became subject to antijewish sanctions and pogroms courtesy of the Russian government, which was particularly intolerant of Jews and had a policy of "encouraging" expulsion.

And yes, many polish gentiles sheltered polish Jews from the pogroms. This was not nearly as true in Russia or Ukraine.

 

[uptheirons!]

because the 6 million number for jews never said that 4 million of them were auschwitz. in fact that number of '4 million' dead at auswhwitz was supposed to be largely non jews. that 3 million was never said be only jews.



and state security services i think they have power over him should he go insane they would take him out. I do not think it would be possible for Putin to go crazy like Kim jung un.


Poles are sensitive because for centuries Poland and the Polish-Lithuanian empires were tolerant places for Jews so they not want be seen as in same view as the germans. Jews were expelled and persecuted in catholic spain, portugal and other areas and parts of west europe, eastern europe became a haven. They were never expelled from poland, ukraine or russia. There was even large settlement area. and yes i know there was expulsion in crimea which was not ukraine at the time. eastern europe they fled to and even parts of the muslim world were at the time more tolerant. But eastern europe remained more tolerant than the muslim world for longer.

If they can be off by 3 million with regards to one camp for 45 years, why should any of the numbers be trusted when it's basically all guesstimation with no physical evidence or documentation?

 

[Bagatur]

I am not a Holocaust denier, but I do strongly believe that way too much attention is given to it. yes, it is bad that Nazis systematically killed Jews (as well as Gypsies, gays and mentally ill people), but they also caused deaths to many more millions of civilians during WW2. during the blockade of Leningrad, they were methodically destroying supply lines and about 1 million civilians died from cold and hunger, as well as fell victims to cannibals. and that is a small portion of only USSR civilian deaths during WW2.

 

[Seaside]

This is a weird post.
Yes, Poland was a relative haven for jews, but suggest that the rest of eastern Europe was similarly tolerant is something else entirely. Especially in light of the fact that Poland/the Polish-Lithuanian Empire's relatively tolerant policies became a bit moot after it's annexation in the 18th century. At which point polish jews became subject to antijewish sanctions and pogroms courtesy of the Russian government, which was particularly intolerant of Jews and had a policy of "encouraging" expulsion.

And yes, many polish gentiles sheltered polish Jews from the pogroms. This was not nearly as true in Russia or Ukraine.

I am bad at explaining sometimes my bad. I was trying to explain the Polish view from how I understand it. They not want there history to say "oh we oppressed jews" because traditionally they did it a lot less. Poland Lithuanian commonwealth encompass a good portion of eastern Europe that is what and it was not partion to late 1700s like 1770s. What about those hundreds of years before? Were jews being rounded up and killed? Answer is no.

I mean and prior to a Christian extremist revival it was still a better place than Spain or France or Germany. And my point about Russian government is true it only got bad for them under the late czars even though Catherine great restrict them in Russian empire to pale settlement. The late czars 1860s onward sucked for everyone and why they got overthrown and killed.

My point for saying this is to give opposite side. Some jews like to believe they are always victims all throughout history and ignore that as a minority they had it good in some places especially compare to some other minority groups. Like with Poland the official polish government policy was not to exterminate jews but yes after their government was overthrown and millions of Poles killed then you had some go against jews.

@AnGrYcRoW
@Snowfist
@jimmas99
@Badger67
@UFC Truck
@danny23
@Seaside

Explain yourselves, why should we have such a law in the US?

I just not see why you guys not follow what rest or most of Europe has done. Americans and valuing stupid evil speech is really pointless in my opinion. I bet a lot of your violence can be problems to media and lack of censorship. You guys often hope up places like Germany as some standard of what you want be like and look at them and how they treat this issue.

 

[Seaside]

If they can be off by 3 million with regards to one camp for 45 years, why should any of the numbers be trusted when it's basically all guesstimation with no physical evidence or documentation?

I think that was explain to you. But like all crazies you will ignore what you want to push your lie.It hard to cover up such mass murders especially when you lose the war.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I just not see why you guys not follow what rest or most of Europe has done. Americans and valuing stupid evil speech is really pointless in my opinion. I bet a lot of your violence can be problems to media and lack of censorship. You guys often hope up places like Germany as some standard of what you want be like and look at them and how they treat this issue.