Proving That "Khamzat Always Fights Cans" is Wrong.

deadshot138 said:
You could argue Jiri only fought cans until he reached the UFC. Fighters take time to develop. Imagine your heavyweight debut being against Ngannou. It just doesn't work that way.
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Jiri fought Vadim Nemkov, Karl Albrektsson, King Mo twice, Bruno Cappelozza, Satoshi Ishii, Mikhail Mokhnatkin, Darko Stosic, Brandon Halsey and a lot of other decent fighters before coming to the UFC. If anyone made that argument they'd need their head checking.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
If you read most Khamzat threads there's tonnes of people who say how it's easy to look good against cans.
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He is not beeing fed cans, he is fighting normal guys for his level of experience, people say that in reply to people who say he will totally be 3 division champ. It's like, relax, he is looking awesome against decent competition but that may change once he faces the elite
 
Hellowhosthat said:
If you read the post I'm pretty clearly laying out that he hasn't fought cans but I suppose people don't read things on Sherdog and I should have known that.
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I mean, I read it, but I still don't see the point. I see a lot of "not great, but under the circumstances.."

I don't think anyone is arguing he's only trying to fight cans. The argument is, people using his performances to argue his greatness way past his level of competition
 
DoNoootin said:
So far, yeah, but isn't he like 4 fights in?
All this hubbub about UFC immediately putting every one in with lions is bullshit...
There's a build-up. He's 4 fights deep... relax.
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GSP got his first title shot in his 3rd UFC fight.

Anderson in his 2nd UFC fight.

Aldo was promoted to champion without a UFC fight.

BJ was 3-0 in his pro career when he fought for the UFC strap.

DJ fought for the belt in his 3rd UFC fight.

If Khamzat is to become the GOAT, he needs his title shot ASAP.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Jiri fought Vadim Nemkov, Karl Albrektsson, King Mo twice, Bruno Cappelozza, Satoshi Ishii, Mikhail Mokhnatkin, Darko Stosic, Brandon Halsey and a lot of other decent fighters before coming to the UFC. If anyone made that argument they'd need their head checking.
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I've seen people call Ishii a can because Fedor beat him lol
 
No one with a brain believes he has only fought cans.

The claim some make is that he hasn't fought anyone that can justify the level of hype (top 3-top 5 level guys).

There is a gigantic gap between "cans" and "legit fighters that simply aren't elite".

I think people sometimes get a little bit too skeptical when they pretend you can't learn things about a fighter from fights with non-elite fighters, but a reasonable skeptic could still be waiting for him to get his first truly elite win before jumping on the train.
 
Fraz said:
Alexander The Great gazed upon the statue of Khamzat Chimaev and wept because in comparison he had accomplished so very little.
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At khamzats age he was dead i think. So khamzat wins.
 
IMVHO cans only fight in Bellator, so Khamzat is fine with me.
 
All I know is if he beats Burns or puts up a good fight he’s legit in my eyes. Burns is tough as fuck. Don’t think anyone could criticize Khamzat after that.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Lets have a look at this idea shall we.

Only amateur fight

Khaled Laalaam - Had just come off finishing second in the IMMAF European Championships when he fought Khamzat, went on to win the IMMAF World Championships the same year he fought Khamzat. Now 1-0 as a pro having just turned pro a couple of months ago. Khamzat is the only guy to finish him to this point.

Pro fights

Garde Olve Sagen - Former IMMAF World Championship finalist as an Ammy but not a great pro record, however both pro losses are against guys who fought in the UFC in Khamzat and Rostem Akman.

Ole Magnor - This one is a bit of a can tbf, 6-6 as a pro but has generally been fed to ex-high level ammy prospects.

Marko Kisic - Was 5-0 when he fought Khamzat, but has fallen off a bit since and is now 6-3. Did beat a 9-2 guy the fight before he fought Khamzat

Sidney Wheeler - Former high school state champion wrestler who went to turn pro in MMA rather than pursue college (doesn't seem to have been the best decision) 8-3 when he fought Khamzat but only losses are to two UFC guys (GM3 and Brendan Allen) and top prospect Abdoul Abdloulragimov.

Ikram Aliskerov - Combat sambo world champion, 8-0 when he fought Khamzat and got KO'd and now 11-1. Mostly fought solid competition. One of the best MW's currently outside the UFC.

Mzwandile Hlongwa - 4-0 when he fought Khamzat and now 6-1 and has fought decentish competition lately.

John Phillips - 22-9 when he fought Khamzat. Always been a bit of a hard hitting journeyman. Not a particularly great win but Khamzat came in as a late replacement, so it's not like he was picked.

Rhys McKee - 9-2 when he fought Khamzat, then lost to Alex Morono (no shame in that) and looked good in last Cage Warriors fight. Not an amazing opponent, but the best they could find in a few days.

Gerald Meerschaert - 8-6 in the UFC and has beaten Muradov and Giles. Most losses are to ranked fighters. Extremely harsh to call him a can.

Li Jingliang - 10-4 in the UFC when he fought Khamzat. Recent wins over Santiago Ponzinibbio and Zalseski Dos Santos.
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Who???? To the first 7 people???

These guys are not UFC Calibre simple as that or arent top tier UFC calibre that somehow changes khamzat into being ready to fight WW ufc Elites...

LOL at accessing Ammy records as meaning shit
 
Paolo Delutis said:
Who???? To the first 7 people???

These guys are not UFC Calibre simple as that or are they top tier UFC calibre...

LOL at accessing Ammy records as meaning shit
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Aliskerov would beat plenty of UFC fighters if they signed him, he's really, really good.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Aliskerov would beat plenty of UFC fighters if they signed him, he's really, really good.
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I dunno about that .

His last 3 opponents were

40- 27 combined ...thats hardly impressive

Could he win some sure...but hes not a top prospect outside the UFC
 
Good on the mods for restoring this thread and you've laid out a solid case . Bummer that it's already partially derailed and most people commenting don't read but that's the dawg :D
 
Yea it's pretty simple... Discrediting his opponents, especially after a loss is weak sauce...

Does he need to prove more? In method yes... In appearance no...

I'd say top 5 then TS is pretty eventual.

But again recycled Narrative and Trolls will have at any topic. Half the reason I take nothing seriously on the Dawg...
 
Paolo Delutis said:
I dunno about that .

His last 3 opponents were

40- 27 combined ...thats hardly impressive

Could he win some sure...but hes not a top prospect outside the UFC
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Are you basing that on looking at his record or have you watched him fight?
 
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