Prime JDS' streak was ungodly impressive

[Henderlei KO]

JDS has felt all too well what it's like to go ham early in the fight, only to lose all his energy in the championship rounds. I think that kind of traumatized him in a way. Now it seems as if he's trying WAY too hard to pick his shots and conserve his energy, but it's hurting him.

 

[mbach4307]

That JDS run to the title is the most impressive in the history of the sport, and the only one that even comes close is Edgars current one if he beats Aldo

It was bananas. I actually think Robbie and Hendricks streaks to the title were unreal too.

 

[brickhands]

all time fav hw,his run to the title was awesome so much violence

 

[Concrete Whale]

It was impressive but he was one of those fighters who is excellent at what he does but he really only does one thing. He is very good at insisting on a fight on his terms, in JDS's case MMA boxing in Lesnar's case GnP, in Rousey's case Judo from side control etc, but once someone who is well rounded figures out a way to take the fight to one of their weaker areas they start losing badly.

Still one of the best HWs in UFC history though.

 

[Maryse]

As amazing as his run was, HW was even worse than it is now when he made that run to the top.

Overeem is a better fighter than everyone JDS beat. JDS's current form has as much to do with people figuring him out as it does the Cain/Stipe fights. He's very one dimensional, he's amazing at that one thing but its really all he brings to the table. He's an aggressive offensive striker, hes got no defence, and doesn't fight well when he's not leading the fight, or being constantly engaged.

 

[Final Say]

Don't forget the Mark Hunt 3 rounder. He took a lot of damage in that fight as well. What a fucking warrior.

Ridiculous chin on that guy

 

[Concrete Whale]

The two Cain fights were bad. But don't forget the Stipe war. It was not two fights, it was not 10 rounds of damage. It was 15 rounds. He took as much damage if not more from Stipe as he did in each of the Cain fights.

Those three, not two fights changed the course of his whole career. He came out looking like himself against Stipe, remember.

Yeah IIRC he took 77 sig strikes to the head from Stipe, Stipe is a high volume fighter and JDS backing stright up and dropping his hands and having no clinch game and throwing wild shots that leave him wide open to counters, it was tailor made for him to get beaten up, he looked like the elephant man after that one. But he was even getting hit too much before that, he has always fought like that.

He switched gyms too after those fights and has looked different ever since, as i said in another thread yesterday, he fights like he's just trying not to lose, when in the past he'd want to steamroll his opponents. there might be something to it, the guy is different now and is like a Grade C version of himself.

Right, after the 2nd Cain fight he moved to Nova Uniao, then after Stipe he moved to ATT, I think I have got that timing right. But he is either unwilling or unable to evolve, his cardio has improved but he really doesn't offer anything other than scrambling and boxing, and he has said going into this fight he has been concentrating on his boxing and punching hard. If it works it works, but I don't expect it to against this calibre of opponent any more.

There's taking damage and there's taking damage.

Some fighters take a beating, can hardly talk walk or think after a fight. Dossantos looked like he got hit by a car multiple times after the Cain fight. Yet in his post fight interview his improved English showed. He was clear and articulate and said the punches didn't do that much to him besides temporary optical damage. I believe him.

When someone loses a few he's always ''out of his prime'' and ''way slower'' and ''completely E grade version of his former self''. Expect a monster in there come sunday.

not sure which Cain fight you are talking about but he was in zombie mode for both of them, he has a lot of heart and a great chin but he was in sh*t state and they should have thrown the towel in both times, he has said he thought he got knocked out, he didn't know what was happening, he can't remember the fight after the 2nd round etc.

 

[Final Say]

As amazing as his run was, HW was even worse than it is now when he made that run to the top.

Overeem is a better fighter than everyone JDS beat. JDS's current form has as much to do with people figuring him out as it does the Cain/Stipe fights. He's very one dimensional, he's amazing at that one thing but its really all he brings to the table. He's an aggressive offensive striker, hes got no defence, and doesn't fight well when he's not leading the fight, or being constantly engaged.

Oh man. Idk about that. It was a different version, but Werdum? No so sure Overeem is better. He would have had SERIOUS trouble with Carwin too.


I truly believe Overeem is overrated.

 

[Final Say]

Yeah IIRC he took 77 sig strikes to the head from Stipe, Stipe is a high volume fighter and JDS backing stright up and dropping his hands and having no clinch game and throwing wild shots that leave him wide open to counters, it was tailor made for him to get beaten up, he looked like the elephant man after that one. But he was even getting hit too much before that, he has always fought like that.




Right, after the 2nd Cain fight he moved to Nova Uniao, then after Stipe he moved to ATT, I think I have got that timing right. But he is either unwilling or unable to evolve, his cardio has improved but he really doesn't offer anything other than scrambling and boxing, and he has said going into this fight he has been concentrating on his boxing and punching hard. If it works it works, but I don't expect it to against this calibre of opponent any more.




not sure which Cain fight you are talking about but he was in zombie mode for both of them, he has a lot of heart and a great chin but he was in sh*t state and they should have thrown the towel in both times, he has said he thought he got knocked out, he didn't know what was happening, he can't remember the fight after the 2nd round etc.

I still think Stipe could/would have won that fight if he could have kept up his boxing-centric style instead of shooting (and failing) on so many TDs and constantly initiating the clinch. His cardio also failed him, but I believe that was largely a result of his failed grappling strategy + it was his first time in a 5 round fight. I personally have no doubt that Stipe wins a rematch, although it may never happen with the trajectory theyre both on

 

[Maryse]

Oh man. Idk about that. It was a different version, but Werdum? No so sure Overeem is better. He would have had SERIOUS trouble with Carwin too.


I truly believe Overeem is overrated.

Im talking more about skillsets, Reems let down by his cardio and his chin. But how many other HW's have been as good as he is in all areas. Only really Werdum and Fedor come to mind. And the Werdum that JDS fought all those years ago was little more than a BJJ guy with rudimentary striking.

 

[Bewareofdawg]

That JDS run to the title is the most impressive in the history of the sport, and the only one that even comes close is Edgars current one if he beats Aldo

GSP comes close. So does Jon Jones.

 

[Iroh]

As amazing as his run was, HW was even worse than it is now when he made that run to the top.

Overeem is a better fighter than everyone JDS beat. JDS's current form has as much to do with people figuring him out as it does the Cain/Stipe fights. He's very one dimensional, he's amazing at that one thing but its really all he brings to the table. He's an aggressive offensive striker, hes got no defence, and doesn't fight well when he's not leading the fight, or being constantly engaged.

Your av makes me thirsty.

 

[The Schmoop]

It's a shame, he bottomed out quickly

The thrashings at the hands of Cain were horrible for his career. He took some serious damage. Probably wasn't great for his mental game either since it happened twice.

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

Meh. I've never been big on JDS. Never compared to a prime Mirko at all, IMO.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

There's a reason many (even most) people believed that he was gonna destroy Overeem. And that reason wasn't merely Overeem being chinny.

It was that they knew fuck all about MMA.

 

[muaythaibeast]

GSP comes close. So does Jon Jones.

I don't think so, Jones had a win over a prospect in Bader and not much else, unless you count Vera. One top 10 and 0 top 5 wins in his streak. Jones run was pretty weak compared to guys like Machida to be honest and he wouldn't have got the shot without the Rashad injury.
GSP had a good run, but when you compare it to KOs over Werdum, Cro Cop, Yvel, Struve and Gonzaga, and beating Carwin into retirement it pales in comparison.

 

[Bewareofdawg]

I don't think so, Jones had a win over a prospect in Bader and not much else, unless you count Vera. One top 10 and 0 top 5 wins in his streak. Jones run was pretty weak compared to guys like Machida to be honest and he wouldn't have got the shot without the Rashad injury.
GSP had a good run, but when you compare it to KOs over Werdum, Cro Cop, Yvel, Struve and Gonzaga, and beating Carwin into retirement it pales in comparison.

It was the manner in which GSP and Jones were handling their competition that was so impressive. They both had bumps in the road (GSP with Hughes) and (Jones with Hamill), but you can't say that at the time, they weren't at least, if not more, creating more hype in themselves than JDS was.

And GSP had better wins than JDS IMO. At the time JDS beat Werdum, he wasn't near the prize he would be now. GSP beat Penn, Trigg, Karo, Miller, can't remember the others.... Jones didn't have the caliber of wins, but he was detroying who he did fight.

 

[tenniswhiz]

It's a shame, he bottomed out quickly

It looks like that, but I completely disagree.

JDS was 7-0 in the UFC alone, and 13-1 overall, when he finally fought Cain for the belt, won.
20 fights into his career, nobody besides Cain (and his early loss) had beaten JDS.
JDS was probably one of the best HW in the world, if not the best, many fights before he won the belt.
He had a long and elite career.

A similar situation is Machida's career.
He won the LHW belt at 16-0. He fought very good fighters during his ascent.
He was probably the best LHW in the world several fights before he won the belt.
Idiots can laugh at the "Machida Era" being short, but that era started well before he won the belt.

 

[superpunch]

There's a reason many (even most) people believed that he was gonna destroy Overeem. And that reason wasn't merely Overeem being chinny.

I still can't believe he lost that. Anything close to a prime JDS beats Overeem in 10 seconds flat. I don't know what went wrong. Gotta see his next fight before jumping to conclusions

 

[Concrete Whale]

It looks like that, but I completely disagree.

JDS was 7-0 in the UFC alone, and 13-1 overall, when he finally fought Cain for the belt, won.
20 fights into his career, nobody besides Cain (and his early loss) had beaten JDS.
JDS was probably one of the best HW in the world, if not the best, many fights before he won the belt.
He had a long and elite career.

A similar situation is Machida's career.
He won the LHW belt at 16-0. He fought very good fighters during his ascent.
He was probably the best LHW in the world several fights before he won the belt.
Idiots can laugh at the "Machida Era" being short, but that era started well before he won the belt.

Carwin was 12-0 all 1st round finishes before Lesnar.