Prime Fedor Emelianenko vs. Stipe Miocic

[MMAGamblero]

<DrakeLaugh>

Lol 2012 join date.

 

[fatlipjesus]

Disagree... his boxing is/was too sloppy for Stipe. Also believe Junior and Cain would have beaten prime Fedor.

Fedor didn't use western boxing. He wasn't that sloppy at all until he became wild near the end.

 

[Ed Banger]

I love how either side pretends like one would "smash" the other... we will never know but can only assume. How-ever it would play out, I believe it would be very close and competitive

 

[Claude]

Lol 2012 join date.

 

[MMAGamblero]

Yes we have already been through this. Go take your meds troll. If hendo can beat fedor ko style I think stipe can too.

 

[haraigoshi]

fedroh

 

[Final Say]

Fedor fought "nobody."

Wrong.

Fedor

1. Big Nog (Dec) - 26 years old 19-1 record - Rank #1
2. Big Nog (Dec) - 27 years old 23-2 record - Rank #2
2. Cro Cop (Dec) - 29 years old. 16-2 record. - Rank #2
3. Andrei Arlovski (KO) - 30 years old, 15-5 record - Rank #4
4. Tim Sylvia (KO) - 34 years old 24-4 record - Rank #4

_________________________________________________________________
Avg Age = 29.2 years old
Opp Record = 97 - 14
Opp Winning % = 87.4%


Stipe

1. Werdum (KO) - 38 years old 20-5 record - Rank #1
2. JDS (KO) - 33 years old 18-4 record - Rank #5
3. Overeem (KO) - 35 years old 41-14 record - Rank #4
4. Andrei Arlovski (KO) - 36 years old 25-10 record - Rank #5
5. Mark Hunt (KO) - 41 years old 10-9 record - Rank #5
__________________________________________________________________
Avg Age = 36.6 years old
Opp Record = 114- 42
Opp Winning % = 73.1%

Arlovski, cro cop and big Nog were good wins at the time. I'll give him those for sure. But to act like he has better wins? Please... Stipe's resume is clearly better. Their ages and records are largely irrelevant. The winning percentage is because of how many fights there were total you're bound to have more losses over more fights. They've also been around since the Pride days, so they're obviously older, but they're better too. Again, Werdum and Overeem improved from those days. The sport was young back then and so were the fighters. It makes a lot of sense. Can't tell me that Fedor fought and beat better fighters than stipe though.

Discredit Fedor for being on the bottom against a lesser grappler even though he quickly won by submission afterwards.

Defend Stipe for getting punched in the face by bad strikers because that's just fighting.

Double standard much?

Matt Hughes, Frank Trigg and Josh Koscheck got manhandled in the grappling department by GSP. Guess which are D1 wrestlers?

2 division 1 wrestlers couldn't control Fedor.

D1 is great and all and certainly shows your acumen to a degree but he has still yet to meet anybody of that pedigree in this current weak division, and as such, is unproven in that aspect.

fair enough man, no real big problem with this post. I think ending up under Hunt was more due to hunts size and strength advantage, he's so fuckin thick lol.

As far as stipe being taken down by lesser grapplers, you've just got to look at it in context. He spent no time in a disadvantaged position. Anyone he gets down, he crushes. Junior is the only exception. People say that he'd be taken down by D.C./Cain or subbed by Fedor. I kind of understand why, because they're all great at what they do, but that logic doesn't take into account what Stipe has shown in his career. They act like stipe would be just like anyone else who found themselves in grappling exchanges with those fighters, but there's no precedent for that, no evidence. Stipe is a monster on the ground too. he's just a better striker than these guys so he keeps it standing, because his wrestling allows him to

 

[Summoning]

Prime Fedor = win

 

[fatlipjesus]

Arlovski, cro cop and big Nog were good wins at the time. I'll give him those for sure. But to act like he has better wins? Please... Stipe's resume is clearly better. Their ages and records are largely irrelevant. The winning percentage is because of how many fights there were total you're bound to have more losses over more fights. They've also been around since the Pride days, so they're obviously older, but they're better too. Again, Werdum and Overeem improved from those days. The sport was young back then and so were the fighters. It makes a lot of sense. Can't tell me that Fedor fought and beat better fighters than stipe though.

fair enough man, no real big problem with this post. I think ending up under Hunt was more due to hunts size and strength advantage, he's so fuckin thick lol.

As far as stipe being taken down by lesser grapplers, you've just got to look at it in context. He spent no time in a disadvantaged position. Anyone he gets down, he crushes. Junior is the only exception. People say that he'd be taken down by D.C./Cain or subbed by Fedor. I kind of understand why, because they're all great at what they do, but that logic doesn't take into account what Stipe has shown in his career. They act like stipe would be just like anyone else who found themselves in grappling exchanges with those fighters, but there's no precedent for that, no evidence. Stipe is a monster on the ground too. he's just a better striker than these guys so he keeps it standing, because his wrestling allows him to

I literally just proved that "Stipe's resume" clearly isn't better.

Fedor's opponents were younger, were ranked higher, had better records, had higher winning percentages, and every single one of them except Crocop had already reached the championship level.

Stipe's opponents were older, had worse records because they were out of their prime, lower percentages, and only two of them had ever reached a championship level, despite being near the end of their careers.



I'm stating facts and you repeatedly state a boring opinion with nothing to back it up except repeating "They're better now than they were then." No.... they're quite literally not and anyone with their eyes open can see that. I like Stipe but that doesn't change the fact that's he's beating up older, shot fighters. That is an indisputable fact.

 

[SMEGMA]

Stipe by murder, forcing the Fedor fanatics to come up with new excuses.

Look at how they performed against a common opponent, Maldonado... lol

There's a reason why Fedor ducked Reem in Strikeforce while Stipe KO'd him in the UFC.

 

[Money509]

Talking to you about MMA is like talking to a flaming homo about girls.

No retort at all to anything i said . Only thing you can say is some random unwitty qoute because you know i exposed your boy fedor.

 

[Claude]

Fedor fought "nobody."

Wrong.

Fedor

1. Big Nog (Dec) - 26 years old 19-1 record - Rank #1
2. Big Nog (Dec) - 27 years old 23-2 record - Rank #2
2. Cro Cop (Dec) - 29 years old. 16-2 record. - Rank #2
3. Andrei Arlovski (KO) - 30 years old, 15-5 record - Rank #4
4. Tim Sylvia (KO) - 34 years old 24-4 record - Rank #4

_________________________________________________________________
Avg Age = 29.2 years old
Opp Record = 97 - 14
Opp Winning % = 87.4%


Stipe

1. Werdum (KO) - 38 years old 20-5 record - Rank #1
2. JDS (KO) - 33 years old 18-4 record - Rank #5
3. Overeem (KO) - 35 years old 41-14 record - Rank #4
4. Andrei Arlovski (KO) - 36 years old 25-10 record - Rank #5
5. Mark Hunt (KO) - 41 years old 10-9 record - Rank #5
__________________________________________________________________
Avg Age = 36.6 years old
Opp Record = 114- 42
Opp Winning % = 73.1%

 

[fatlipjesus]

No retort at all to anything i said . Only thing you can say is some random unwitty qoute because you know i exposed your boy fedor.

The only thing you exposed is your lack of knowledge.

I didn't retort because you're a Jon Jones fan and the only reason your here is because your mad that more people think he's a fraud than a GOAT nowadays.

 

[Final Say]

I literally just proved that "Stipe's resume" clearly isn't better.

Fedor's opponents were younger, were ranked higher, had better records, had higher winning percentages, and every single one of them except Crocop had already reached the championship level.

Stipe's opponents were older, had worse records because they were out of their prime, lower percentages, and only two of them had ever reached a championship level, despite being near the end of their careers.



I'm stating facts and you repeatedly state a boring opinion with nothing to back it up except repeating "They're better now than they were then." No.... they're quite literally not and anyone with their eyes open can see that. I like Stipe but that doesn't change the fact that's he's beating up older, shot fighters. That is an indisputable fact.

Numbers lie.

I'll repeat why: More fights = more losses.

More experience = older age.

You didn't prove anything, you posted misleading numbers. Nobody would look at their top wins and say Fedor's are better, nobody without an agenda. You post those numbers to intentionally mislead, you know they're out of context. You know Stipe's wins are better.

You honestly think Werdum was better when he beat Fedor than when he won the UFC title? You're lying

Arlovski, Cro Cop, Nog < Werdum, Overeem, Junior

By a LOT

 

[fatlipjesus]

Numbers lie.

I'll repeat why: More fights = more losses.

More experience = older age.

You didn't prove anything, you posted misleading numbers. Nobody would look at their top wins and say Fedor's are better, nobody without an agenda. You post those numbers to intentionally mislead, you know they're out of context. You know Stipe's wins are better.

You honestly think Werdum was better when he beat Fedor than when he won the UFC title? You're lying

Arlovski, Cro Cop, Nog < Werdum, Overeem, Junior

By a LOT

Once again I post facts and numbers and all you can repeat is the same nuthugger line over and over with zero facts other than your clearly biased opinion.


To make things even more funny.... Fedor beat all of his opponents in a row without losing a single round, along with over 20 other opponents. Stipe lost twice in beating those 5 people, including to Stefan Struve lol

 

[Th3PlainTruth**]

Battle of the titans. Would be a good fight.

Dont know about a titan bro...lets not get TOO caught up in the moment.

 

[brokenjaw]

lol

The fact that Stipe Miocic is dominating speaks volumes of the current HW division.

Seriously, when you go from this



to this:

You know a division has regressed by leaps and bounds.

Fedor would beat him...in the stand-up.

I like Stipe. I've cheered for him in most of his fights, but....lol

I like both Fedor and Stipe, but cmon son. Don't be stupid. Using that Overeem gif just makes you look retarded.,You damn well now that fucking Fujita of all people made Fedor dance.

 

[rl4090526]

Stipe is knocking guys out left and right in the deepest heavyweight pool ever!

Fedor beat guys in Pride that wouldnt even break into top 10 in the UFC and got face planted by Hendo

 

[TheSecretOne]

DADA5000 puts them both in wheelchairs, at the same time.

 

[Final Say]

Once again I post facts and numbers and all you can repeat is the same nuthugger line over and over with zero facts other than your clearly biased opinion.


To make things even more funny.... Fedor beat all of his opponents in a row without losing a single round, along with over 20 other opponents. Stipe lost twice in beating those 5 people, including to Stefan Struve lol

Numbers lie. You're purposely lying and Stipe's wins are clearly better. Clearly. One of Fedor's top three best wins are barely in Stipe's top five best wins. Do some critical thinking.