Prime Fedor Emelianenko vs. Stipe Miocic

[Deleted member 110072]

when youre in the minority on sherdog, youre probably right. anything regarding fedor amongst mma fans is pure emotion. he fought nobody. stipe would have done the same thing fedor did if he was in that division, except fedor would be on his resume as well.

Lets be honest theres pretty obviously a significant number of people driven by a combination of UFC brand loyalty and nationalism who really drive this subject on and on and on making the same vague "evolution" claims they've been fed.

They almost never have anything of substance to say on the subject but that doesn't stop them posting thousands of times on it.

 

[myjohnson9]

well versed? LMAO, sherdoggers are the most well versed people in MMA? theres no way you really believe that

So you're saying people who literally read every single detail and converse about it everyday don't know what they're talking about?? You sir are a grade a moron

 

[Final Say]

So you're saying people who literally read every single detail and converse about it everyday don't know what they're talking about?? You sir are a grade a moron

honestly, i was thinking you misspoke or were being funny. but you really think a bunch of guys on a forum know the most about martial arts because they read and post about it?

being completely genuine now, that is kind of sad. go to the gym, man. you can only learn so much by reading and when it comes to martial arts, reading will teach you almost nothing. this isnt algebra or geography.

 

[MMAGamblero]

Obv fedor fanboys are scared about fedors place in the hw GOAT landscape because they are coming out of the woodwork to try and discredit stipe. Hell @Mixfight already created a thread to try and tear stipe down, why so insecure???? Every post you see the same fedor nut gobblers (ie mixfight, Claude, verbalfedor, synyster etc) having a circle jerk about why the next hw prospect can't be fedor. The worst insecure fan base ever seen.

 

[tehMoose]

Fedor would smash him.

 

[myjohnson9]

honestly, i was thinking you misspoke or were being funny. but you really think a bunch of guys on a forum know the most about martial arts because they read and post about it?

being completely genuine now, that is kind of sad. go to the gym, man. you can only learn so much by reading and when it comes to martial arts, reading will teach you almost nothing. this isnt algebra or geography.

Yea the only one who can judge a fight is a fighter himself.... Lol

 

[Vitor CroCop]

3:1 lol

 

[myjohnson9]

honestly, i was thinking you misspoke or were being funny. but you really think a bunch of guys on a forum know the most about martial arts because they read and post about it?

being completely genuine now, that is kind of sad. go to the gym, man. you can only learn so much by reading and when it comes to martial arts, reading will teach you almost nothing. this isnt algebra or geography.

Youare digging your own grave because if you took a list of all the actual fighters who train and who they pick as their goat, fedor still wins...not even about the fight with common sense never go full retard

 

[RiotWyatt]

did you watch any of the fights youre talking about? truly

stipe has spent, and im not exaggerating when i say this, less than one minute total on his back for his entire professional mma career.

beltran caught a knee, thats how he got that takedown. stipe stood back up. looking at the stats now, stipe hit 4 takedowns and 7 passes. the grappling in that fight was not even close. again, were talking about his very first fight in the ufc, his 5th pro fight. he was brand new to the sport and completely dominated the grappling in this fight.

gonzaga hit the only legitimate, straight up shot that has ever taken stipe down. stipe stood back up in about 5 seconds flat, maybe less. gonzaga went 1 for 6 on TDA in that fight and also, was completely dominated on the ground when stipe took him down. i do not believe he stood back up once he was taken down. another fight that stipe dominated, even in the grappling.

junior hit a slick ass trip on a gassed stipe against the fence. cant take anything away from that, but stipe spent about 30 seconds on the ground there.

again, stipe has been totally dominant in every grappling exchange hes been in. the few times hes been taken down, he stands right back up. he faces no real threats from grapplers and never has.

Wow. You mean Stipe outgrappled a horrible grappler? You don't say? Still got taken down with ease for a d1 wrestler.

Gonzaga is hardly a wrestler and hadn't been able to beat anyone of note for some time when Stipe beat him.

Now tell me, how many elite wrestlers has Stipe defended take downs from?

 

[Final Say]

Lets be honest theres pretty obviously a significant number of people driven by a combination of UFC brand loyalty and nationalism who really drive this subject on and on and on making the same vague "evolution" claims they've been fed.

They almost never have anything of substance to say on the subject but that doesn't stop them posting thousands of times on it.

well, to be completely honest, the sport has evolved. the discussion is how much. theres a good case either way. the sport is still in its infancy, so it couldnt have evolved so much.

but look at a guy like werdum, hes old as shit as far as pro athletes go, but hes measurably better than he was back in the day. just the fact that hes still around the top means it hasnt evolved a ton, but his experience and improvements means it has evolved some. if you look at the top of the pride HW division and the UFC hw division right now, the HW division is a lot bette now. neweguys like cain, junior and stipe prove that. they wrestled in college, or they boxed their whole adult life. they started doing this because of the pioneers who showed them there was a future in it. so its not necessarily for any reason other than fedor, cro cop and big nog paved the way.

there will be a heavyweight better than stipe one day, too. just like MJ was better than bill russell, and now it seems basketball is evolving past an MJ. lebron is superhuman. so its the natural order of things. we evolve.

 

[Final Say]

Wow. You mean Stipe outgrappled a horrible grappler? You don't say? Still got taken down with ease for a d1 wrestler.

Gonzaga is hardly a wrestler and hadn't been able to beat anyone of note for some time when Stipe beat him.

Now tell me, how many elite wrestlers has Stipe defended take downs from?

how many elite wrestlers has he fought? you say oh, hes been taken down three times without fighting any great wrestlers... but hes also been punched by guys who arent great strikers. thats fighting. was he ever dominated or held down? no.

will a great wrestler be able to implement their wrestling game on stipe? probably not, stipe is a great wrestler himself. you dont go D1 because youre just okay. they also cant strike with stipe, so theyre likely fucked.

 

[RiotWyatt]

Yea the only one who can judge a fight is a fighter himself.... Lol

This guy is full of himself. Thinks he's the only Sherdogger with any background in training and competition. Sherdog is a more knowledgeable place than most of anywhere on the internet. Not only do a good number of sherdoggers train and compete, they are analysts.

Plus, he is a Sherdogger too so he's just degrading himself.

 

[Claude]

Obv fedor fanboys are scared about fedors place in the hw GOAT landscape because they are coming out of the woodwork to try and discredit stipe. Hell @Mixfight already created a thread to try and tear stipe down, why so insecure???? Every post you see the same fedor nut gobblers (ie mixfight, Claude, verbalfedor, synyster etc) having a circle jerk about why the next hw prospect can't be fedor. The worst insecure fan base ever seen.

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[MMAGamblero]

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And???? It's apparent where my side lies. I don't support can crushers!

 

[HomeRun916]

(Fe)Dor.

 

[fatlipjesus]

when youre in the minority on sherdog, youre probably right. anything regarding fedor amongst mma fans is pure emotion. he fought nobody. stipe would have done the same thing fedor did if he was in that division, except fedor would be on his resume as well.

Fedor fought "nobody."

Wrong.

Fedor

1. Big Nog (Dec) - 26 years old 19-1 record - Rank #1
2. Big Nog (Dec) - 27 years old 23-2 record - Rank #2
2. Cro Cop (Dec) - 29 years old. 16-2 record. - Rank #2
3. Andrei Arlovski (KO) - 30 years old, 15-5 record - Rank #4
4. Tim Sylvia (KO) - 34 years old 24-4 record - Rank #4

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Avg Age = 29.2 years old
Opp Record = 97 - 14
Opp Winning % = 87.4%


Stipe

1. Werdum (KO) - 38 years old 20-5 record - Rank #1
2. JDS (KO) - 33 years old 18-4 record - Rank #5
3. Overeem (KO) - 35 years old 41-14 record - Rank #4
4. Andrei Arlovski (KO) - 36 years old 25-10 record - Rank #5
5. Mark Hunt (KO) - 41 years old 10-9 record - Rank #5
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Avg Age = 36.6 years old
Opp Record = 114- 42
Opp Winning % = 73.1%

 

[Ed Banger]

The HW game really hasn't evolved much at all. He'd still be the most well-rounded HW in the division today.

Disagree... his boxing is/was too sloppy for Stipe. Also believe Junior and Cain would have beaten prime Fedor.

 

[Claude]

And???? It's apparent where my side lies. I don't support can crushers!

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[RiotWyatt]

how many elite wrestlers has he fought? you say oh, hes been taken down three times without fighting any great wrestlers... but hes also been punched by guys who arent great strikers. thats fighting. was he ever dominated or held down? no.

will a great wrestler be able to implement their wrestling game on stipe? probably not, stipe is a great wrestler himself. you dont go D1 because youre just okay. they also cant strike with stipe, so theyre likely fucked.

Discredit Fedor for being on the bottom against a lesser grappler even though he quickly won by submission afterwards.

Defend Stipe for getting punched in the face by bad strikers because that's just fighting.

Double standard much?

Matt Hughes, Frank Trigg and Josh Koscheck got manhandled in the grappling department by GSP. Guess which are D1 wrestlers?

2 division 1 wrestlers couldn't control Fedor.

D1 is great and all and certainly shows your acumen to a degree but he has still yet to meet anybody of that pedigree in this current weak division, and as such, is unproven in that aspect.

 

[mjfan23]

2017: Fedor haters still failing to discredit the GOAT