Prime Fedor Emelianenko vs. Stipe Miocic

[Final Say]

Translation:

I hate it when people use evidence to counter my childish hyperbole.

You used no evidence. You posted numbers which are not only nearly totally irrelevant to the topic at hand, but also totally out of context.

Have a good day

 

[Jay philips]

Is fedor still relevant ?
Nope

 

[chinarice]

Fedor isn't even my top3 favourite HWs but you fucktards are so stupid about how good Fedor was in his prime.

Still the most amazing HW in MMA I have ever watched.

Fedor is faster than every HW Stipe ever fought and had good power.

Stipe absolutely could have beaten Fedor but you guys are drunk or high or both if you don't think Fedor was good enough to compete with today's HWs.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

well, to be completely honest, the sport has evolved. the discussion is how much. theres a good case either way. the sport is still in its infancy, so it couldnt have evolved so much.

but look at a guy like werdum, hes old as shit as far as pro athletes go, but hes measurably better than he was back in the day. just the fact that hes still around the top means it hasnt evolved a ton, but his experience and improvements means it has evolved some. if you look at the top of the pride HW division and the UFC hw division right now, the HW division is a lot bette now. neweguys like cain, junior and stipe prove that. they wrestled in college, or they boxed their whole adult life. they started doing this because of the pioneers who showed them there was a future in it. so its not necessarily for any reason other than fedor, cro cop and big nog paved the way.

there will be a heavyweight better than stipe one day, too. just like MJ was better than bill russell, and now it seems basketball is evolving past an MJ. lebron is superhuman. so its the natural order of things. we evolve.

I don't follow basketball but your talking quite a significant gap in time between those two plus your also talking a sport that's stayed pretty steady or increased its funding for new talent which I don't think has been the case in MMA at HW especially. From a football/soccer perspective I would say that your probably looking back to the 80's or earlier to say that the big names were "out evolved", someone like Maradona would be absolutely one of the best players in the world today.

Again I see nothing but the kind of vague and questionable claims we always here on this subject, JDS most certainly did not box his whole life for example, he came to the sport relatively late with no previous MA background.

This whole argument basically rests on trying to cast the 00's as a similar situation to the 90's, as a time when MMA was only just coming together. The reality though was that MMA had already crystallised at the highest level by that point at HW especially due to its longer history of good funding and guys like Fedor, Crocop, Nog, etc came from strong long term MMA backgrounds and they trained with world class coaches. You look at Stipe's recent run for example and his opponents haven't exactly shown faultless skill.....

JDS - Very limited ability to defend or counter backing up.

Werdum - Poor boxing defence rushing forward with his chin in the air.

Overeem - Poor defence backe dup just hiding behind a high guard and having to turn and run.

Its been a run were he's really exploited a division full of fighters with clear flaws in their games.

The reason for this hype is easy to understand, constant very rapid evolution means the UFC can always hype todays product as the best ever and because the sport did experience more rapid evolution in the not too distant past this is easy to sell to a new fanbase. Doesn't mean a fighter today cannot be the best in the history of his weight class but this needs to be justified with more than vague evolution talk.

 

[fatlipjesus]

You're lying because you know Stipe already has a better resume with better wins than Fedor. You know better, you're making an argument based on numbers that not only mean nothing, but are completely misleading.

Their age and overall record mean absolutely nothing, and even if they did, you know why they are the way they are. For a third time: more fights = more losses and older age. You know this

So the age, records and winning percentages all don't matter because the fighters are older.....

So basically you're saying that when fighters get old they are apt to lose more fights.

Yup, thats kind of the point.

 

[Towelie by TKO]

Fedor was on top when most of the HW division couldn't defend an armbar.

Stipe is not gonna get armbarred. Fedor's lunging hooks and flurries wouldn't trouble Stipe either.

Stipe by easy decision.

 

[fatlipjesus]

You used no evidence. You posted numbers which are not only nearly totally irrelevant to the topic at hand, but also totally out of context.

Have a good day

Thanks for admitting defeat this time instead of just slinking away like usual.

 

[kflo]

Fedor's been knocked down once in his entire career of 40 fights.

Overeem has been KO'ed 10 times in MMA, 3 in K-1, and been knocked down several more times.

Fedor never got kod in k-1!

 

[Final Say]

I don't follow basketball but your talking quite a significant gap in time between those two plus your also talking a sport that's stayed pretty steady or increased its funding for new talent which I don't think has been the case in MMA at HW especially. From a football/soccer perspective I would say that your probably looking back to the 80's or earlier to say that the big names were "out evolved", someone like Maradona would be absolutely one of the best players in the world today.

Again I see nothing but the kind of vague and questionable claims we always here on this subject, JDS most certainly did not box his whole life for example, he came to the sport relatively late with no previous MA background.

This whole argument basically rests on trying to cast the 00's as a similar situation to the 90's, as a time when MMA was only just coming together. The reality though was that MMA had already crystallised at the highest level by that point at HW especially due to its longer history of good funding and guys like Fedor, Crocop, Nog, etc came from strong long term MMA backgrounds and they trained with world class coaches.

The reason for this hype is easy to understand, constant very rapid evolution means the UFC can always hype todays product as the best ever and because the sport did experience more rapid evolution in the not too distant past this is easy to sell to a new fanbase.

You're right, it is a smaller amount of time, but rapid evolution early in the sport's life makes sense. It's just as silly to think MMA hasn't gotten better as it is to say fighters back then were trash compared to new ones. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[RiotWyatt]

Fedor was on top when most of the HW division couldn't defend an armbar.

Stipe is not gonna get armbarred. Fedor's lunging hooks and flurries wouldn't trouble Stipe either.

Stipe by easy decision.

Most of today's HWs don't know how to get an arm bar.

 

[NotSoSure]

Whenever a guy is dominant "how could anyone from any other time beat him?"

....such a boring way of looking at MMA. I'm sorry for you.

 

[Claude]

I like both Fedor and Stipe, but cmon son. Don't be stupid. Using that Overeem gif just makes you look retarded.,You damn well now that fucking Fujita of all people made Fedor dance.

Fedor's striking had not peaked there.

Miocic has already been TKO'd and dropped several times, something which Fedor didn't see for over a decade.

Cheers.

 

[lyndon955]

The Fedor that beat Nog and Cro Cop would have his way with Stipe

Stipe is an amazing champ on an amazing run but lets be real, Arlovski is chinny and he wrecked him, Overeem came in with an awful game plan a lot of which involved turning tail and running, JDS fought terribly as well, and so did Werdum

That said I dont mean to take anything away from Stipe cause hes a really cool guy and is on a historic run

 

[SowingSeason]

Not comparable at this point.

 

[Lamfadha]

Fedor isn't even my top3 favourite HWs but you fucktards are so stupid about how good Fedor was in his prime.

Still the most amazing HW in MMA I have ever watched.

Fedor is faster than every HW Stipe ever fought and had good power.

Stipe absolutely could have beaten Fedor but you guys are drunk or high or both if you don't think Fedor was good enough to compete with today's HWs.

Thank you this is all I want people to acknowledge about Fedor. That he was actually really damn good. I might get a bit hyperbolic about him sometimes solely because I feel his haters don't give him any respect.

if Fedor doesn't get the respect from MMA fans he deserves who the hell will in MMA?

 

[DrunkMonkMeth]

now?? stipe finishes him in less than 3mins..

old fedor Destroys stipe

 

[jimbob27]

When I first joined sherdog, it was full of people that were convinced Tim Sylvia would keep Fedor at arms length for 25 minutes.

 

[mideastbeast]

Wait....OP is the same guy who made a thread about how Yair would destroy Frankie Edgar.

 

[Claude]

So many butthurt people over one poll, lol.

 

[Dana_is_your_GOD]

Fedor is better at everything. Literally everything.

Including English.