Prime Fedor Emelianenko vs. Stipe Miocic

[USADA]

@Redhawks100 is crying right now

After seeing the poll results

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Which HW ever has had a more impressive run than his current 4-fight first round ko streak?

JDS went on an initial 9 fight win streak in the UFC that included first round KOs of prime Cain, a younger Werdum, younger Gonzaga, Yvel and Struve. Plus wins over Carwin, Mir and Big Country. Other fight was Cro Cop quitting due to an eye injury, a fight JDS was winning up to that point.

 

[LargeMammal]

People that act like Fedor was never that good really just out themselves as:
1) casuals
2) delusional haters
3) dumbasses
4) all of the above

Or 5) Were simply not around to witness how dominant Fedor was during his prime.

High fight IQ??? Like diving into Werdum's guard?

Stipe destroys any version of Fedor.

No it wasn't the smartest move, but prior to this the guy went on a 10 year win streak, that in itself is no fluke.

Plus Werdum's ploy of feigning to get rocked only to pull the fighter into his guard had never been utilised before this fight and was an incredibly revolutionary technique. Yes it caught Fedor out, but I think it would've caught out many great fighters. Fedor thought his opponent was rocked and went in for the finish. Werdum had him check mated.

Also, since then Werdum has gone on to prove himself as a highly intelligent fighter with an array of unorthodox/mind game techniques. Remember pointing at Nelson's feet? And others. Werdum is a top fighter and out witted Fedor that night. Remember he then went on to try the same thing against Overeem in what panned out to be one of the most boring fights in history, before he abandoned the technique altogether. It could only work once and it produced one of the greatest upsets in the history of HW MMA.

 

[brokenjaw]

Fedor's been knocked down once in his entire career of 40 fights.

...you do know that what you are saying is not true, right?

Overeem has been KO'ed 10 times in MMA, 3 in K-1, and been knocked down several more times

Meaning...what? Getting dropped by Reem means you're not a good fighter? Are you fucking serious?

Fedor's striking had not peaked there.

Miocic has already been TKO'd and dropped several times, something which Fedor didn't see for over a decade.

Cheers.

I'd wager Fedor was far more evoled as a fighter when he fought Fujita than Stipe is now. When Fedor fought Fujita, he already had big wins over guys like Big Nog, Schilt and Herring under his belt. Stipe is just now going through top 3 level guys.

Again not taking shit about Fedor, I just don't think the Stipe criticism is valid.

 

[Steve-French]

In a Ring with Pride Rules I would give Fedor the edge. In a cage with the unified rules I would give Stipe the edge. Fedor never really learned how to be as effective in a cage as he can't cut off the angles the same.

Why are so many Fedor fanboys such buttholes about this though? It's all hypothetical anyway, because if they fought today Stipe would more than likely fuck him up.

I'm sensing a lot of this itt.

 

[Claude]

...you do know that what you are saying is not true, right?

Meaning...what? Getting dropped by Reem means you're not a good fighter? Are you fucking serious?

I'd wager Fedor was far more evoled as a fighter when he fought Fujita than Stipe is now. When Fedor fought Fujita, he already had big wins over guys like Big Nog, Schilt and Herring under his belt. Stipe is just now going through top 3 level guys.

Again not taking shit about Fedor, I just don't think the Stipe criticism is valid.

Your argument has taken a weird and irrelevant turn.

 

[Money509]

The only thing you exposed is your lack of knowledge.

I didn't retort because you're a Jon Jones fan and the only reason your here is because your mad that more people think he's a fraud than a GOAT nowadays.

Still no retort. You dont even deny that fedor is wild haymaker swinger with telegraphed punches. The moment he stepped on US soil he got exposed 3X in a row. Thats called being overrated, the hype was massive around that time and he straight up got beat down and scurried back to europe to fight his usual cans and got instant victories lol.

 

[Money509]

In a Ring with Pride Rules I would give Fedor the edge. In a cage with the unified rules I would give Stipe the edge. Fedor never really learned how to be as effective in a cage as he can't cut off the angles the same.

Why are so many Fedor fanboys such buttholes about this though? It's all hypothetical anyway, because if they fought today Stipe would more than likely fuck him up.

I sensing a lot of this itt.
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PRIDE fanboys man. They are unbearable , cant let go of the "good ole days".

 

[DaPunkMinowaMan]

Or 5) Were simply not around to witness how dominant Fedor was during his prime.



No it wasn't the smartest move, but prior to this the guy went on a 10 year win streak, that in itself is no fluke.

Plus Werdum's ploy of feigning to get rocked only to pull the fighter into his guard had never been utilised before this fight and was an incredibly revolutionary technique. Yes it caught Fedor out, but I think it would've caught out many great fighters. Fedor thought his opponent was rocked and went in for the finish. Werdum had him check mated.

Also, since then Werdum has gone on to prove himself as a highly intelligent fighter with an array of unorthodox/mind game techniques. Remember pointing at Nelson's feet? And others. Werdum is a top fighter and out witted Fedor that night. Remember he then went on to try the same thing against Overeem in what panned out to be one of the most boring fights in history, before he abandoned the technique altogether. It could only work once and it produced one of the greatest upsets in the history of HW MMA.

Hmmmm.. You see.. I sincerely believe it was not really about what Werdum did.

As Frank Shamrock said after his Cung Le fight, "it´s a mental thing. ", which means u no longer have the mental discipline to follow a gameplan. Why? Coz u stayed too long in the game.

 

[Fight Professor]

ok.

stipe's resume is already better than fedor's (hunt, arlovski, werdum, overeem, JDS, all by finish, 4 in the first round) and he would have KO'd big nog and cro cop in their primes though.

but nice emoji though

Stipe would duck CroCop and claim that he does not fight Croatians.

 

[LargeMammal]

Hmmmm.. You see.. I sincerely believe it was not really about what Werdum did.

As Frank Shamrock said after his Cung Le fight, "it´s a mental thing. ", which means u no longer have the mental discipline to follow a gameplan. Why? Coz u stayed in the game too long.

Maybe so...

I still maintain that Werdum had a clever gameplan and executed it to perfection. I don't believe Werdum was ever rocked. Also, as I said he tried it again when fighting Overeem in the very next fight, so obviously he had seen it had worked and tried to utilise it again.

Of course Fedor should never have jumped in there though. Unless he had underestimated Werdum, being a proficient sambo fighter himself. I accept there may be some truth in what you're saying, I guess we will never know.

 

[DaPunkMinowaMan]

Maybe so...

I still maintain that Werdum had a clever gameplan and executed it to perfection. I don't believe Werdum was ever rocked. Also, as I said he tried it again when fighting Overeem in the very next fight, so obviously he had seen it had worked and tried to utilise it again.

Of course Fedor should never have jumped in there though. Unless he had underestimated Werdum, being a proficient sambo fighter himself. I accept there may be some truth in what you're saying, I guess we will never know.

Yeahh..

Remember how Fedor attacked Nog´s guard... He was following a disciplined gameplan, PACING his bursts.. watching for his arms & Nog´s grip... goin´ in & out, without losing the control...

 

[firstroundpick]

The Werdum that was running blindly towards Stipe swinging wildly was a better fighter than the Werdum who slyly baited Fedor into a triangle choke. Lol.

yes he was much more well rounded . He developed his stand up after the fedor victory fuck boy

 

[Mixfight]

Pride Fedor would KO Stipe after beating the shit out of him.

Affliction Fedor would have his hands full but could still KO Stipe in a shoot out.

Strikeforce Fedor would likely get beat down by current Stipe but would have a decent chance of KOing the Stipe that lost to Struve.

 

[RiotWyatt]

Or 5) Were simply not around to witness how dominant Fedor was during his prime.



No it wasn't the smartest move, but prior to this the guy went on a 10 year win streak, that in itself is no fluke.

Plus Werdum's ploy of feigning to get rocked only to pull the fighter into his guard had never been utilised before this fight and was an incredibly revolutionary technique. Yes it caught Fedor out, but I think it would've caught out many great fighters. Fedor thought his opponent was rocked and went in for the finish. Werdum had him check mated.

Also, since then Werdum has gone on to prove himself as a highly intelligent fighter with an array of unorthodox/mind game techniques. Remember pointing at Nelson's feet? And others. Werdum is a top fighter and out witted Fedor that night. Remember he then went on to try the same thing against Overeem in what panned out to be one of the most boring fights in history, before he abandoned the technique altogether. It could only work once and it produced one of the greatest upsets in the history of HW MMA.

He tried it against Hunt too. Lead to an entirely different outcome.

 

[firstroundpick]

It's close.

Arlovski = Overeem

They're both glass cannons. Can knock anyone out and can get knocked out by anyone. Both are underrated grapplers.

Cro Cop > Junior Dos Santos

Cro Cop is just a supreme striker all around and his TDD is just as good as JDS or better. JDS has great hands though and I could see an argument either way. To say JDS is outright better is ignorant.

Nog < Werdum

Werdum is the better grappler, their striking is equal in my eyes. The difference is that Werdum is the more adaptable and smarter fighter. Still close to me though.

werdum koed a k-1 champ with a granite chin and outstruck cain and travis browne x2… who the hell has nog koed? schaub lol

 

[bubby]

10 year unbeaten streak>>>2 and 1/2 year undefeated streak + stipe has already been defeated 2x legitly.

Also most of the guys stipe is making a name off average age is like 36-37 years old and have been fighting 15-20, and/or out of their primes (hunt, jds, overeem, werdum is almost 40)

Fedora wins. Better win streak, didn't lose in his prime years, and better resume, plus was a machine in the early 2000s.

Fedor was in his prime when werdum finished him.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

No question. Fedor. Cro Cop was the most feared heavyweight and Fedor took it to him the entire fight and ate Mirko's best shots

 

[firstroundpick]

I absolutely love Stipe but he's not Fedor yet at all. Now, to be fair to each of these guys all HWs are dangerous with their striking because of sheer mass. But Let's look at some of the best wins.


Fedor
Prime Champ Nog
Prime #1 World Contender Crocop
Prime #3 in World Contender Andrei Arlovski (which he was losing)
Prime #9 Heath Herring (before Fed was Champ)
Prime 19-3 Sobral
Prime Brett Rogers (10-0 and just beat Arlovski)
Didn't lose for 10 years and 31 fights (unless you count the TK rules DQ)

Stipe
Champ Fabricio Werdum
?Prime? Gabriel Gonzaga
Quitter-Street Overeem (which he was losing)
Brain-Ded JDS
Second-Prime Arlovski?
In 7 years he's lost twice in 19 fights. Once by KO and once to JDS which he avenged.

haha brett rogers prime haha arlovski was koed by sylvia before he fought fedora sobral was 205 pounds heath herring is a one dimensional bum..

 

[firstroundpick]

No question. Fedor. Cro Cop was the most feared heavyweight and Fedor took it to him the entire fight and ate Mirko's best shots

not his best shots but a couple of good punches and a grazing high kick