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Prime Cro Cop vs Stipe ... who wins?
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hater detected.
I just picked one.
fucken piss belt
have fun you fucken dipshit.
"We received a notification that UFC is working with USADA, and there was also a video tutorial which I had to watch in its entirety. I was aware of everything and I knew everything. So what caused my injury? That was my mistake. I couldn't do some specific things because of my injury, I couldn't wrestle, for example. I was slowly healing and UFC offered me July fight, which I had to decline. After that I took November fight so my preparations became more intense. I was delaying my final preparations so me leg could heal better.
Then came the overly-intense wrestling. 330 pound wrestler Joso Matkovic was here, his task was to get me down. During this training my muscle gave out, there was a rupture and tendon injury. Doctor told me to stop with the training immediately soo I minimised it. I trained as much as I could. That's the reason I took growth mormone, which is prohibited under USADA.
Therapy lasted 11 days, doses were medical, and it did not help me because I never stopped with the training. And exactly then they came from Switcherland to collect my blood and urine sample. I gave them blood and urine, and told them what im using. I knew growth hormone can be used if you ask for permission, but I did not ask for permission because there was no time. Thats medicine, this has nothing to do with doping. It is not performance enhancer, doesan't give you strenght, it only speeds up the healing. It can be used as doping only in lager doses and in combination with some other supstances.
I didn't mention this because I first wanted to consult with my employer. Doctor gave me medical report, and in USADA rules it states - if there is no alternative, using growth hormone for medical reason it allowed if we consult with them. I didn't consult with them. I then contacted UFC representative and told them what happened. He said everything is alright, and that - even tho I didn't ask for permission - there will be no problem. I sent him an email because he asked for it, and this is where I naively fell for it.
Then USADA called me and they told me my confession is commendable act. I didn't understand anything. My e-mail was forwarded to USADA and they used it as my confession. They gave me 2 year suspension because I was "fair". They misused it, the needed a big name to show they are in control, and this is where they used me. I got sickened by all of this. My shoulder hur, its function was questionable and now this... It boiled over for me, my mother was crying, people were having their sweet time with it, they were tarnishing my career.
I remember when USADA came, they were nice. I asked when when will medical report be available and they said 1st of December at the latest. They came around November 1st. They sent the samples in lab in London. 1st od December passed.. I felt miserable, my shoulder hurt, people are talking... Even If I was guilty I would say I apologise, I didn't do it with bad intentions... But I took banned supstance. I knew I had to ask for permission but they usually give permission if there is no alternative. That didn't help. Muscle was ruptured... I have MRI photo... The guy signed everything and told me to use it.
15th od December and still nothing, New Year and nothing, so I called them on January 6 and I asked for medical report. In February I already felt uncomfortable asking. They suspended me and test was clear. they found nothing. I took it under doctors advice. It was one alternative to heal my shoulder. One endocrinologist confirmed to me that this is so and that there is no funny business.
They are right, I did take it without asking, bu that has nothing to do with doping. So I hired an American lawyer. He told me that I have the right to file a complaint. But then they told me that deadline for complaint just passed. If I called earlier, that would be it and the would terminate my suspension, I would just give them documentation from my doctor.
Then I gave up. This all made me sick and I said this is no longer for me. The were sticking to their guns and did not say anything to me. My test was clean so they had no right to do this to me. Take Mir's case as an example. He fought while doping, there was no medicine. They found two anabolic steroids and he received the same penalty as me, and I didn't even fight. And then they snitch on me. Im not mad at anybody but that was not correct thing to do and it was unsportsmanlike thing to do.
In the end they offered me to revoke my suspension If I snitch another fighter. I couldn't believe that they were humiliating me in this matter. I have my own gym, I dont know what people use and even If I knew it - I wouldn't tell them. I told them that they can stop me from fighting in UFC, but they will not take my soul. If organization who fights for clean sort is on such a level that they want to blackmail a fighter... Can you get any lower? I wouldn't do this to my worst enemy. But such are the rules, Im not mad at anybody. I should have kept quiet. I ended up being more naive than a French maid.
I had good relationship with UFC, they are good crew. Im on good terms with them, I dont have any complaints. It was a pleasure to be a part of the UFC. But USADA shouldn't react like it did. But what happened - happened. If they suspended me for six months or just gave me a warning, that would be punishment enough. To give the same punishment to me and Frank Mir.. This was an ugly period for me. Now they even ban IVs. If I took half a liter od vitamins they would tell me that I confessed and they would give me two years.. There must be doping hunt, but that can't turn into witch hunt."
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Lol gloves?
Cro Cop had injured foot, broken foot bone and he had to wear shoes to protect it.
Shoes saved Hunt because kicks landed on soft shoe tounge and fat duct tape bandage instead on hard foot and shinbone if Cro Cop was barefoot.
Stipe's biggest advantage is good movement and long reach. Let's suppose that fight takes place in the ring, not in the octagon, Stipe would lose his advantage and find himself closed in corner or his movement would be restrained by ropes with no space to evade. In the ring there is no open space to dodge and manage distance and Cro Cop's combination of kicks and hands is stronger than Stipe's hands.
Also, no fence wrestling, and no elbows on the ground.
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Stipe's been tagged flush in his last two fights. The guy is definitely hit able.
In his prime Mirko was agile as fuk on his feet and deadly with single shots. That's what made him scary. He also had a great defensive guard on top of good/excellent takedown defense from single/double legged take downs.
The match would be interesting. I wonder if Stipe would've been able to take down Mirko Crocop successfully and then ground and pound him.
In the fight with Fedor, Fedor was getting Mirko down but he wasn't using double or single legged takeodowns.
In his prime Mirko was agile as fuk on his feet and deadly with single shots. That's what made him scary. He also had a great defensive guard on top of good/excellent takedown defense from single/double legged take downs.
The match would be interesting. I wonder if Stipe would've been able to take down Mirko Crocop successfully and then ground and pound him.
In the fight with Fedor, Fedor was getting Mirko down but he wasn't using double or single legged takeodowns.
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Taken from Stipe's Wikipedia-
"He initially trained in mixed martial arts but soon changed to boxing. His coach Marcus Marinelli recalled that although he trained only for several months he was beating boxers with much longer experience. After only eight months of training with a background of being a Cleveland Golden Gloves boxing champion (reaching quarter-final in the nationals), and NCAA Division I wrestler at Cleveland State, Miocic began his MMA career by winning his first six fights by knockout."
Lets be honest, man. Stipe has been able to beat the breaks off of 2 K1 Champions, there is no reason why he can't do it to Cro Cop as well.
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This one is easy
Octagon - Stipe
Ring - Cro Cop
I still don't think people understand just how much of a difference the ring vs cage makes in Mirko's game. His entire offense since he began kickboxing was built around stalking opponents and cutting them off in the corners, the octagon has no corners
Octagon - Stipe
Ring - Cro Cop
I still don't think people understand just how much of a difference the ring vs cage makes in Mirko's game. His entire offense since he began kickboxing was built around stalking opponents and cutting them off in the corners, the octagon has no corners
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he boxed for one year and won matches in the nat'l golden gloves, only losing to bryant jennings who went on to fight klitschko for a pro title.
his experience in boxing is real
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I'm not trying to be a fanboy when I say this but I definitely feel that 2006 mirko would win. Stipe is a great fighter and I love that guy but I feel that mirko brought something much different than anyone he ever faced. More explosive power than ngannou, more precision than reem, better TDD than JDS, more power in the legs than hunt...he would just bring so many gifts into the cage that I think he would somehow tko stipe at some point. I feel that stipe would have been a top 3-5 guy in that pride era.
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more explosive power than francis? nah
better TDD than JDS? nah
hes very good... but he doesnt have those things, and hes relatively small.
big nog took him down without a ton of trouble, for gods sakes. stipe is a true D1 wrestler and a lean 245 pounds.
Cro Cop during his amateur boxing career boxed matches against:
- Sirakhei Liakhovich - WBO world champion
- Alexei Lezin - world amateur boxing champion ( dude who beat Klitschko )
- Alexis Rubalcaba - world amareur silver medail, Pan American champion
- Paolo Vidoz - Olympic bronze medail, amateur world championship bronze medail
Cro Cop beat on Acropolis Cup in Athens, Greece in 1997:
- Sinan Samil Sam - world amateur boxing champion, EBU - WBC european pro champion
Cro Cop was national boxing champion and beat champions of several european countries in international competitions.
Stipe is slow motion for prime Mirko.
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He's got experience for sure. I knew that.Thanks DayV for nice explanation. Mirko is 2 levels above Stipe in Boxing. 10 levels above in Kickboxing.
But Stipe's a better boxer. Not that it matters, but I say this as a guy who was a boxing fan before I ever saw MMA.
Also, if Cro Cop even gave Stipe a little trouble standing, the takedown would come. It's a very bad match up for Mirko.
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I'd favour mirko but would not be surprised if Stipe caught him.
85% chance that Mirko would land LHK and take that boy out.
85% chance that Mirko would land LHK and take that boy out.
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Prime Cro Cop is invincible.
Fedor vs Cro Cop was literally the unstoppable force vs the immovable object. The level of HW MMA hasn’t been duplicated since.
I miss prime CC and Fedor.
Fedor vs Cro Cop was literally the unstoppable force vs the immovable object. The level of HW MMA hasn’t been duplicated since.
I miss prime CC and Fedor.
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