Prime bs

[DayV]

I’ve done before. Go look at rankings in every weight class. Mean age is well above 30

UFC examples are bad because UFC fighters fight very rarely, they have lot of rest, recuperation and preparation, they often have 6 months to a year between fights to recuperate.
UFC fighters fight low amount of fights during career, and they often start pro fighting late.
UFC fighters do not fight multiple opponents on the same day where you often carry your injuries on.


You can't compaire that to someone from Pride for example, who started fighting pro in early 20s, who fought 5 times per year, and edured that rhytm and wear of fighting every 2-3 months without much rest for 10 years.

 

[Barteh]

Wasteland this shit. It's been talked about hundreds of times on here and literally anybody with just a small amount of MMA knowledge knows that prime is based on mileage and not on age.

 

[Iron Nick]

Both Messi and Ronaldo were clearly better when they were younger.

They're just so good that they're still the best or at the very least amongst the very best.

At the moment, guys like Håland and Mbappé are basically on the same level and in 2 years or so, they'll probably have overtaken Messi and Ronaldo in terms of how good they are compared to each other in that moment in time.

 

[Bubblun]

Fedor had over 100 Sambo, Judo and Combat Sambo fights.
He started declining after 33 straight wins.

Izzy had 80 kickboxing fights and 20 MMA.
Let us see him fight 10 more fights, where he fights guys bigger than him, like Fedor did
and then return to that discussion.

Let's be real honest here, Fedor fought soccer dad in combat sambo, the only guys he fought with a wikipedia page are Oleynik ages ago and Ivanov, who is 1-1 with Fedor.

That said, an athlete could get injured and that change the trajectory of his career, and we don't know nothing about Fedor.

Wasteland this shit. It's been talked about hundreds of times on here and literally anybody with just a small amount of MMA knowledge knows that prime is based on mileage and not on age.

If it was only about "mileage", fighters like Blachowicz and Masvidal wouldn't be in their best form ever in their late 30ies after 30-50 fights.

And fighters like Lawler, Bisping, Werdum, Smith and others wouldn't have had a career resurgence late in their career.

Both Messi and Ronaldo were clearly better when they were younger.

They're just so good that they're still the best or at the very least amongst the very best.

At the moment, guys like Håland and Mbappé are basically on the same level and in 2 years or so, they'll probably have overtaken Messi and Ronaldo in terms of how good they are compared to each other in that moment in time.

Right now the best player in Serie A isn't even Ronaldo, is 39 years old Ibrahimovic.

 

[fightfan70]

just look at aldo.

prime is determined by mileage not age.

 

[eternaldarkness]

There’s a myth created by Pride fans that fighters are in their prime in their 20’s and they like to back it up by the age of Olympic gold medalists. A lot of Olympic sports are mostly based on athleticism and less on skill and they are mostly amateur athletes.

The closest major sports to MMA in terms of athletics and skill necessarily would be boxing, NFL, basketball, tennis and football.

The best boxers:
Fury 32
Wilder 35
AJ 31

NFL:
Tom Brady 43

Basketball:
LeBron James 36
Durant 32

Tennis:
Novak 33
Nadal 34
Federer 39

Football:
Ronaldo 36
Messi 33

UFC champs right now:
Stipe 38
Jan 37
Izzy 31
Usman 33
Khabib 32
Volkanovski 32
Yan 28
Figgy 33

Can this baseless shit argument die already?

Not sure if serious. And heavier fighters have longer careers.

 

[MMonk]

Let's be real honest here, Fedor fought soccer dad in combat sambo, the only guys he fought with a wikipedia page are Oleynik ages ago and Ivanov, who is 1-1 with Fedor. .

OMG...do you even know the depth of competition of Combat Sambo in Russia?
It's just a small notch below Judo, Sambo and K-1, which are very well developed there.
Don't talk what you don't know about.

@shoorik1987 , enlighten that noob.

 

[eternaldarkness]

The Olympics are only a whole nother world of competitiveness.

 

[HHJ]

Randy couture won the ufc heavyweight championship at age 43.
George Foreman won the hw championship at 45.
Anderson Silva was on his 10th title defense at age 38.

So age is not a factor at all.

couture started mma late
foreman took many many years off from the sport
anderson's first half of his reign was against fighters who were far below him in skill

 

[achoo42]

The premise of this thread is just stupid. It's cherry picking data to create a misleading conclusion.

The fact is, your prime ends after a certain amount of wear and tear on your body and your mind. Your age doesn't factor into it until you're well into your 40s.

Ever wonder why Tom Brady is still in the game while Yao Ming has been retired for a decade? Injuries. Wear and tear.

In the UFC, heavyweights tend to have more success in older ages since speed isn't as much of a factor.

Middleweight and below, you start to see speed become more important than strength, and very few 40+ fighters are successful in these divisions.

Aldo, Shogun, BJ Penn, Wanderlei, all started to decline by their early 30s.

 

[Post 2 Decision]

A problem when comparing individual sports like boxing to team sports is that it takes a while to build up a resume to show that you're the best.

In a team sport, a young player proves how good they are each individual season.

In tennis it's similar, you named a bunch of guys who have been good for a very long time and are older now. Those guys hit their prime much earlier. Federer was in his prime from like 2003-2010, when he was 22-29, for instance.

 

[TJ177]

MMA wasn't fully formed at an international level until the mid 90s. The fact that there weren't many 40 year old guys successful in Pride in 2002 shouldn't be too surprising because any older fighter wouldn't have the luxury of the only advantage older fighters have - fight experience.

Why does no one talk about "Prime Volk Han" or something like that? Because they never had a prime because the sport didn't even exist. Little wonder that they weren't contending for titles at age 40.

 

[r-harper-1]

thats still less then the number of fights in different combat sports Fedor had . plus hes younger then when Fedor started to decline (Werdum fight)on top of that hes definitely using PED's(it is what it is) and Fedor is one of the few fighters who is clean as far as we know . Plus izzy dosnt fight at heavyweight so hes not taking the punishment Fedor did and everyone's body is different by the time Fedor got to the UFC and Bellator anyone comparing his old fights to his more recent could tell he didnt have the same speed and fluidity in mixing his striking and takedowns .

Fedor was declining long before the Werdum
Fight imo

 

[chupacabra5]

That’s only speculation. They beat younger players all the time, so your argument is invalid

That’s illogical. You have no clue what you’re saying.

An athletes prime is when they were at their best. It doesn’t mean how many young people they beat. Jones is out of his prime, it doesn’t matter if he’s still p4p number 1, because that’s just because he was that much better to begin with.

 

[tramendous]

Izzy has 100 kickboxing fights and 20 MMA fights, and he isn't slowing down like Fedor did.

Izzy isnt getting punched by heavyweights. How often you get hit also has to come into it. Like movement based fighters get hit less than other styles.

 

[chupacabra5]

Randy couture won the ufc heavyweight championship at age 43.
George Foreman won the hw championship at 45.
Anderson Silva was on his 10th title defense at age 38.

So age is not a factor at all.

Age is not a factor at all? So athletes don’t get worse at all as they get older? This is such a moronic take.

Anderson lost his title at 38, he was much sharper at 32. If age didn’t matter then all of those people would still be in the UFC

 

[Carrotman23]

Fedor was declining long before the Werdum
Fight imo

I agree with that , Werdum was just the death rattle of his decline . That being said I think it's super cool that Fedor is still able to get wins , it's smart of him to end his career in Bellator , and with his milage there's no shame in losing to Ryan Bader and hendo .

 

[Ald0]

Had no idea wilder was 35 and Federer was 39, assumed they were both younger than that damn

 

[Fergelmince]

I’ve done before. Go look at rankings in every weight class. Mean age for UFC champs is 33,1

I'm not going to go search for your shit all over the forum. If you make an claim in a Gad damn thread, put supporting info in the thread. And you can't take the avg of JUST CHAMPIONS. That sample size is too small.

 

[TR1]

I love how GOATdumbass starts the premise by crying about PRIDE fighters.

Let's take a cursory look at the top UFC HWs of years past:

UFC HW Champs:
Rizzo (not a champ, but close lol): Never had a top win after 2005/06. Done by age 33.
Ricco: Done fighting at top level in 2003. Hung on for a few years losing to anyone relevant. Totally done by age ~33.
Mir: Last time he was at all relevant and had top wins was in 2012. 33 years of age.
Randleman: Last top win at age 32.
Arlovski: Left the UFC and got brutally "exposed". Done as a top guy by 2011 at age ~31.
Sylvia: Done as a top guy after 2008, at age 32.
Bork: Last win at age 33.
JDS: Basically done as a top guy by age 31, in 2015. Clearly washed by 2017, at age 33. Hobbled on vs mostly irrelevant guys after.
Cain: Done after 2013, at age 31. Hardly fought after period.


Durrrrr, only PRIDE guys started doing badly when they got past their early 30s, durrrrr.

Idiot TS also thought Coleman Takada was a real fight btw- shows you how little he knows about MMA past when he started watching, two years ago.