Prime bs

SexyBaroni said:
Fedor had over 100 Sambo, Judo and Combat Sambo fights.
He started declining after 33 straight wins.

Izzy had 80 kickboxing fights and 20 MMA.
Let us see him fight 10 more fights, where he fights guys bigger than him, like Fedor did
and then return to that discussion.
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Yep, fully agree. Imo, in 10 fights he will be declining.

At the time of my original post I didn't know just how many fights Fedor had outside of MMA. It was far more than I thought.
 
I don't think anybody ever said your prime is a definitive age range. It depends on the person. Someone like Randy Couture had a very late prime. Jose Aldo had a very early prime.

Don't be an idiot
 
Sweater of AV said:
How about you use your statistical ingenuity to analyze dependence on all of the variables, including number of fights, instead of just actual age. People fight once or twice a year these days whereas they often used to fight multiple times in a night. Sure, someone like Figueiredo is 33 and champ in the Ultimate Circus but he has 22 fights. Usman is 33 and has less than 20 fights. It's laughable.

If you want to talk about primes then you need more variables than just age you dink.
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So you’re first argument failed and now you’re stirring in different direction? No worries I’ll get you there as well.

First of all Usman had 2 more fights at TUF, which would make 21 total fights. But that isn’t really too important.

There isn’t a real correlation between number of fights and fighter performances.
Even if we look at the same top50 guys.

Israel Adesanya has 100 pro fights. Looked best ever in his last fight.

Max Holloway just had his absolutely best performance in his 28th fight.

Dustin Poirier just had his most significant performance at 40th MMA fight.

Jan Blachowizs become the UFC champion for the first time in his 35th fight.

Khabib looked invincible in his 29 pro fights in 13 years.

Charles Oliviera is just reaching his peak at 38 pro fights ( 27 in UFC).

Glover Teixera is #1 contender at 41 y.o. with 39 pro fights.

Masvidal is at his highest in 49 fights.

Black Beast just had his 35th MMA fight.

Chandler is storming UFC at 34 y.o. and 27 pro fights.

Alexander Volkov just had his 41 pro fight.

Pitbull has 35 pro fights and he’s the best FW outside UFC and maybe even in the whole world.

Mousasi has 56 fights and he’s the top guy at Bellator.

And the average amount of pro fights, excluding TUF and amateur fights, for top50 guys is 26,76.

So what now?

And don’t even bother, the 9 year rule doesn’t work as well
 
SexyBaroni said:
Fedor started fighting as a pro 10 years earlier , than DC, dumbass
and his winning streak is longer than whole DC's career.
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You’re dense and you can’t even read. I said DCs wrestling+MMA career was 10 years longer than “prime Fedor’s” career.

Let’s say they both started competing around 15 years old.

Fedor got completely demolished starting the age of 33, so 18 years of successful combat career.

DC retired at the age of 40, which makes 25 years of successful combat career. And he was cutting weight for the most part of it.

Fedor is only 2,5 years older than DC and they fought the same opponents around the same time ( BigFoot, Hendo) and their performances were like day and night
 
GOATtalks said:
There’s a myth created by Pride fans that fighters are in their prime in their 20’s and they like to back it up by the age of Olympic gold medalists. A lot of Olympic sports are mostly based on athleticism and less on skill and they are mostly amateur athletes.

The closest major sports to MMA in terms of athletics and skill necessarily would be boxing, NFL, basketball, tennis and football.

The best boxers:
Fury 32
Wilder 35
AJ 31

NFL:
Tom Brady 43

Basketball:
LeBron James 36
Durant 32

Tennis:
Novak 33
Nadal 34
Federer 39

Football:
Ronaldo 36
Messi 33

UFC champs right now:
Stipe 38
Jan 37
Izzy 31
Usman 33
Khabib 32
Volkanovski 32
Yan 28
Figgy 33

Can this baseless shit argument die already?
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You called soccer football. That invalidates everything else you said.
 
Daelh said:
There is a difference between having 30 mma fights and 100+ Sambo fights by the time you're 30 than starting your career in your 30s... obviously they would have different primes (DC, Fedor). Jon Jones is clearly going out of his prime based on his last 3 fights and he's like 32 but have fought since 20 years old.
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This knows how to spot a thinnñy veild Fedor hate thread! My man!
 
Thinly veild Fedor hate thread.
By his early 30s Fedor had more wear and tear from judo, mma and sambo, and fought in more wars and legendary matches than Stipe and Francis put together.
Try harder next tim TS.
 
Making a thread like this basically confirms you're pissed off about nothing.

Stop caring about fighter ages and just enjoy the fucking sport. It's very clear, across all sports, that some peak earlier than others. Just a part of athletics.

Honestly, people who make comments like this tend to be fatasses who spend more time talking about the athletic achievements of others. That's the vibe you're giving off, big time.
 
Fight years are usually a better indication of when a fighter drops out of his prime. After 10 fight years not many fighters were still in their prime. Major injuries are also a huge factor. Shogun, Cruz and GSP never fully recovered from their knee injuries.
 
Sakurabaism said:
Pretty sure we're going by mileages nowadays? Guys like Max probably will be out of his prime once he hits 32 even though biologically males hit their prime in late 20s to early 30s. Keep in mind we're talking about fighters here, they break their body day in, day out and have undergone many surgeries or suffered other health complications due to weight cutting.
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just because you biologically hit your 'prime between 26 - 29, doesn't mean that it equates to getting results on the proverbial field

that's what TS is pointing out
 
GOATtalks said:
So you’re first argument failed and now you’re stirring in different direction? No worries I’ll get you there as well.

First of all Usman had 2 more fights at TUF, which would make 21 total fights. But that isn’t really too important.

There isn’t a real correlation between number of fights and fighter performances.
Even if we look at the same top50 guys.

Israel Adesanya has 100 pro fights. Looked best ever in his last fight.

Max Holloway just had his absolutely best performance in his 28th fight.

Dustin Poirier just had his most significant performance at 40th MMA fight.

Jan Blachowizs become the UFC champion for the first time in his 35th fight.

Khabib looked invincible in his 29 pro fights in 13 years.

Charles Oliviera is just reaching his peak at 38 pro fights ( 27 in UFC).

Glover Teixera is #1 contender at 41 y.o. with 39 pro fights.

Masvidal is at his highest in 49 fights.

Black Beast just had his 35th MMA fight.

Chandler is storming UFC at 34 y.o. and 27 pro fights.

Alexander Volkov just had his 41 pro fight.

Pitbull has 35 pro fights and he’s the best FW outside UFC and maybe even in the whole world.

Mousasi has 56 fights and he’s the top guy at Bellator.

And the average amount of pro fights, excluding TUF and amateur fights, for top50 guys is 26,76.

So what now?

And don’t even bother, the 9 year rule doesn’t work as well
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There was no "first argument". Get yourself together.

Number of fights for your sacred UFC champions:

Figueiredo: 22 fights
Yan: 16 fights
Volkanovski: 23 fights
Khabib: 29 fights
Usman: 21 fights
Adesanya: 20 fights
Jan: 35 fights
Stipe: 23 fights

One fighter has more than 30 fights and he's competing at the lowest point in the division in years. All but two have less than 25 fights.

Keep trying little guy.
 
Sweater of AV said:
There was no "first argument". Get yourself together.

Number of fights for your sacred UFC champions:

Figueiredo: 22 fights
Yan: 16 fights
Volkanovski: 23 fights
Khabib: 29 fights
Usman: 21 fights
Adesanya: 20 fights
Jan: 35 fights
Stipe: 23 fights

One fighter has more than 30 fights and he's competing at the lowest point in the division in years. All but two have less than 25 fights.

Keep trying little guy.
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Hey, remember your “sample size to small”? What happened to that? Lol
Keep trying old prick
 
ThunderStruck said:
Fight years are usually a better indication of when a fighter drops out of his prime. After 10 fight years not many fighters were still in their prime. Major injuries are also a huge factor. Shogun, Cruz and GSP never fully recovered from their knee injuries.
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That shit doesn’t work as well. Almost everyone in top50 p4p was been fighting over 10years
 
GOATtalks said:
Why is it invalid? My post clearly shows that early and mid 30’s are definitely still prime age for pro athletes
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It actually does not this website had a great article about this topic a few years back.

In the sport of MMA this seems to be a 8 to 10 year time frame that somebody can be in that farm that MMA fighters at there best.

This is true of pretty much every generation With some exception. Statistically speaking.

You can see this in guys like Frank Shamrock Tito Ortiz Chuck the Iceman Liddell cro cop fedor Matt Hughes BJ Penn Jens Pulver ect you're even starting to see it now with the guys like Jose Aldo Dominick Cruz Jeremy Stephens RDA Chris Weidman Luke rockhold.
Pretty much everybody that you posted has not hit the 7 to 10 year mark yet.

Now please note there are exceptions to this like Dan Henderson and Robbie Lawler Demian Maia ect.

I think you might surprise yourself if you do a bit of research using that as a parameter.

And how consistently true it is.
 
ShreddinMMA said:
Making a thread like this basically confirms you're pissed off about nothing.

Stop caring about fighter ages and just enjoy the fucking sport. It's very clear, across all sports, that some peak earlier than others. Just a part of athletics.

Honestly, people who make comments like this tend to be fatasses who spend more time talking about the athletic achievements of others. That's the vibe you're giving off, big time.
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I’m not a fatass. Are you? And this forum is made to discuss other people athletic achievements. Lol

And I made this post, because there are certain groups of people here, who dismiss many fighters, just based on their age. Like the whole HW division
 
GOATtalks said:
You’re dense and you can’t even read. I said DCs wrestling+MMA career was 10 years longer than “prime Fedor’s” career.

Let’s say they both started competing around 15 years old.

Fedor got completely demolished starting the age of 33, so 18 years of successful combat career.

DC retired at the age of 40, which makes 25 years of successful combat career. And he was cutting weight for the most part of it.

Fedor is only 2,5 years older than DC and they fought the same opponents around the same time ( BigFoot, Hendo) and their performances were like day and night
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OMG....
Outside of MMA - DC - Olympic wrestling. Tough sport, but no strikes. Had weight cutting problems,
but mostly due to his poor food discipline.

Fedor - Judo, Sambo matches. Combat Sambo tournaments. Striking and grappling, multiple fights the same night. Much more taxing.

MMA:
DC - 11 years, retired after 25 fights. 2 losses after 10 years of fighting and 23 fights
Fedor - 19 years , 45 fights . Losses ( to roided and TRT opponents) also after 10 years of fighting and 33 fights

Hendo was on TRT when he fought Fedor. That's basically roiding.
DC fought Hendo off TRT 3 years later, can't compare.

Against Bigfoot, DC did better, bet it was only his 10th fight, while it was Fedor's 35th.

Facts speak for themselves.
 
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